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5 hurt in small plane crash at EAA in Oshkosh
Five people were injured Wednesday morning when a Piper Malibu crashed while landing in Oshkosh at the EAA AirVenture. One of those on board was flown to the hospital by helicopter, and Wittman Regional Airport has been temporarily closed. EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said all five people injured were on board the Piper Malibu when it crashed shortly before 8 a.m. Wednesday on a runway at the airport. (www.jsonline.com) 更多...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I was on the south side of RWY 27 about mid field. There was a strong cross wind component from the north or right (referenced to final approach) and many aircraft drifted closer to the runway center line as they flew a right downwind. This resulted in many aircraft being flown in a tight steeply banked turn. This chain of events probably started on the downwind leg. Having flow the approach a day earlier in similar wind conditions in a twin taildrgger it is a tough >180 degree right turn from the crabbed to the left downwind leg to a nearly non existent base leg to final. Then land dirty air from prior departures.
Excellent writing Tom Hall! I wonder if the stall warning was working properly, because at the stall signal, it is level the wings, push the nose down and add power as needed to recover maneuverability. It worked for me once even when the engine did not start.
I agree Tom however the engine could have not responded to his power-up or he could have arrested his descent before adding power. 1. is not his fault. 2. would be his mistake, so it could be either way. just saying, nevertheless you wrote a good piece and are obviously a proficient pilot as I am with many hours punching holes in the sky.
I was speaking in the generic "Beechjet" and you are correct. I certainly do not suppose to know all the circumstances and I'm sure that NTSB will diligently examine, but assuming the referenced quotes regarding stalling and in the absence of control failure, I would strongly doubt that they would find other than loss of control.
My reason for commenting at all was NOT to criticize the pilot. I was primarily defending the system which I felt was being attacked. It certainly is not perfect, but makes the event possible and considering the numbers of pilots, aircraft and vastly differing performance profiles and levels of experience, works amazing well with very few serious problems. They do occur and that is tragic. I was heart-sick when I saw this crash, as was everyone else. In the end, the pilot managed to salvage a survivable crash which was truly incredible. Those who saw it felt that there would be not survivors. I hope a full and speedy recovery to all.
My reason for commenting at all was NOT to criticize the pilot. I was primarily defending the system which I felt was being attacked. It certainly is not perfect, but makes the event possible and considering the numbers of pilots, aircraft and vastly differing performance profiles and levels of experience, works amazing well with very few serious problems. They do occur and that is tragic. I was heart-sick when I saw this crash, as was everyone else. In the end, the pilot managed to salvage a survivable crash which was truly incredible. Those who saw it felt that there would be not survivors. I hope a full and speedy recovery to all.
Tom you make some informative comments, but I will hold off on the judgment you made about the pilot flying as we were not in his seat, I think it prudent to let the NTSB do their job before jumping to an early assumption, also Jack flew a Premier 1A not a beechjet.
While it is unfortunate that this accident occurred and several people were injured, the pilot is ultimately responsible for the operation of the aircraft and safety of the passengers. By his own admission, he stalled the aircraft several hundred feet above the runway. The crash occurred well to the left of the runway and there was a high bank angle immediately before impact.
Being cleared to land does not relieve the pilot of responsibility of flying the aircraft or accepting a situation that is beyond the capabilities of his skills or the performance of the machine. A go around from 300 feet should be no problem. I have owned and flown a Malibu (and flown it into Oshkosh)and they certainly are capable of doing this and do not need special handling or need the entire runway for landing.
Oshkosh operates under a waiver for decreased separation. There is an extensive notam that covers operations. This is necessary for the volume of departures and arrivals at what is the busiest airport in the world for that week. There are 10,000+ aircraft and probably at least double that number of operations.
Considering the wide variety of aircraft with vastly different performance characteristics, the operations run very smoothly. Pilots must be on their "game" and fly with care and authority. ATC works very hard but cannot anticipate the actions of every pilot. I have flown to Oshkosh for over thirty years in many different aircraft ranging from high performance experimentals to cabin class twins and I have had to make go-arounds on a couple of occasions due to conflicting traffic or other situations that I felt were unsafe. This was initiated by me, the pilot, not by ATC. I am certainly not a "super pilot" and do not have amazing skills. Neither are the thousands of other pilots that successfully arrive and depart there every year.
Jack Rousch tried to follow a Cub on final and pancaked his Beechjet. If he had been higher, he would have likely entered a spin. We all have to allow for the fundamentals of physics.
I am not "lambasting" your friend. We all make mistakes and errors in judgment. It is terribly sad that he and his passengers were injured and his aircraft destroyed. Having witnessed the crash, I am amazed that they survived. My point is that we should not blame the system or some other pilot or aircraft. Fly the plane. Fly it until its parked. Do not give up control to ATC. Your seat is moving a lot faster than theirs. If you are not comfortable with the limitations of the notam, choose to land at one of the nearby airports and do not expose yourself and your passengers. The system is not broken and works. It is the only way that Airventure can exist and remain an event for all of GA
Being cleared to land does not relieve the pilot of responsibility of flying the aircraft or accepting a situation that is beyond the capabilities of his skills or the performance of the machine. A go around from 300 feet should be no problem. I have owned and flown a Malibu (and flown it into Oshkosh)and they certainly are capable of doing this and do not need special handling or need the entire runway for landing.
Oshkosh operates under a waiver for decreased separation. There is an extensive notam that covers operations. This is necessary for the volume of departures and arrivals at what is the busiest airport in the world for that week. There are 10,000+ aircraft and probably at least double that number of operations.
Considering the wide variety of aircraft with vastly different performance characteristics, the operations run very smoothly. Pilots must be on their "game" and fly with care and authority. ATC works very hard but cannot anticipate the actions of every pilot. I have flown to Oshkosh for over thirty years in many different aircraft ranging from high performance experimentals to cabin class twins and I have had to make go-arounds on a couple of occasions due to conflicting traffic or other situations that I felt were unsafe. This was initiated by me, the pilot, not by ATC. I am certainly not a "super pilot" and do not have amazing skills. Neither are the thousands of other pilots that successfully arrive and depart there every year.
Jack Rousch tried to follow a Cub on final and pancaked his Beechjet. If he had been higher, he would have likely entered a spin. We all have to allow for the fundamentals of physics.
I am not "lambasting" your friend. We all make mistakes and errors in judgment. It is terribly sad that he and his passengers were injured and his aircraft destroyed. Having witnessed the crash, I am amazed that they survived. My point is that we should not blame the system or some other pilot or aircraft. Fly the plane. Fly it until its parked. Do not give up control to ATC. Your seat is moving a lot faster than theirs. If you are not comfortable with the limitations of the notam, choose to land at one of the nearby airports and do not expose yourself and your passengers. The system is not broken and works. It is the only way that Airventure can exist and remain an event for all of GA