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Rule riles aviators - Airport set to bar mechanics who don’t have official permits

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Apparently at Eugene Oregon airport (EUG) it's against the law to have the mechanic you want work on your airplane - you have to let the FBO (Atlantic Aviation) do it, unless of course they don't want to! (www.registerguard.com) 更多...

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jbowens87
Joel Owens 4
Hate what Atlantic has done to both of the Flightcraft FBO's they bought out. The big players at EUG with on-staff mechanics will continue to turn the wrenches as they are permitted to by FAA regs, and customers without full time mechanics will take their planes elsewhere (many of them already are). Atlantic will lose out because of their "you don't like it? Tough crap" attitude. They'll continue to see marginal performance out of their locations without any competition because customers wil continue to purchase the minimum fuel to get off the airport.
kapsavn
James Capps 2
Last time I checked, if they rcvd FAA monies, it states that uou cannot prevent an owner/Operator from serviceing or maintaining their own Aircraft. Does not apply to commerical operators as I understand the FAR's.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I guess it's all in the wording. They aren't preventing them from working on their own AC, the flap is over a licensed A&P man doing work to somebody else's plane. It does not seem like there is any prejudice here as they just started enforcing their own rules. That said, like 'em or not, if Atlantic bid the FBO based on those rules, they should expect them to be enforced, and while they put some overhead in there, everyone has to play by the same rules.
robbiedew101
robbiedew101 2
http://www.registerguard.com/web/business/28221488-41/airport-atlantic-eugene-maintenance-owners.html.csp

Direct link to the story.
AlexRa
Way to go, FBO! I'll never use Atlantic and will steer anyone within earshot to avoid them like the plague. Shun them and vote with your feet (and wings). Act as if they don't exist anymore; I believe they will either change their ways or the market will take care of them in a rather "natural" way.
Fair winds,
Alex
Dubslow
Dubslow 1
Link doesn't work for me
preacher1
preacher1 1
Me neither. It goes to a URL but no story
preacher1
preacher1 1
I found it. Click on the story and then look to the right and down for a link with same title as story. It is not the lead URL.
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
This is fairly common actually.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Haven't seen you on here the last several weeks. Did you my last comment to you and potential offer? If you did, what do you think, and if not, I'll try to find it and resend. It is still there for the time being if you have any interest. If not, we'll just let it slide. Wayne
homburge
homburge 1
Wouldn't you know it, it would be Atlantic.

My beef with them is the $12 per usage "security fee" they impose at their facilities at SJC and SNA (and probably elsewhere). When I asked, they said this was because they had to hire a security guard at night to protect the planes, and to pay for the cameras they installed.

What makes their attitude even more clueless is that the girls at the desk really thought that a security fee was common to most FBOs in the country. Failed to realize that I was the one, not her, who actually goes to the other FBOs...

So I too avoid Atlantic.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 1
We are all better served if an airman is free to chose his A&P mechanic himself. Forcing over-priced services on people reminds me of ObamaCare. It is simply unamerican on its face.

Service is expensive because cities look at airports as a money generating machine and bleeds every cent they can. LAX is connected by a thin sliver of land to Los Angeles so they can mismanage it like other city enterprises.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 5
Somehow Obama always gets involved!!!
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 2
Actually ObamaCare is a not his fault alone. The law was passed by a Democratic congress. The voters turned enough of them out to send a message that the people are not happy.
linbb
linbb 1
Dont know what all of you have problems with as it keeps the airport open by part of the bill you are paying going to help keep the airport up. If you dont like the person who does work on your AC then fly it out. If it requires a fee to be worked on at the airport then pay it no one rides for free. And while you are at it usually its cheeper to park an airplane than a car someplace so get over it. The company that pays lease payments to the airport has to survive if you dont like them start your own at the airport and let me know how it turns out. No diffrent than scabs working on cars out of there garage and the ones who are in business have to pay for them and loose business to them been a mechanic for years working in a garage for someone and saw some go out of business because of scabs.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
Exactly!!!
sandylns
Brian Lager 2
Atlantic Aviation had NO A&P mechanics. When they took over from the previous FBO they simply laid off the staff. Now they have just one A&P. I can see where most of the airmen would be highly peed off by the new rules. According to the article, there are over 200 aircraft based there. How does an FBO service these with just one mechanic? As for the contention that Atlantic would be forced out of business because of "scabs" utter BS. The previous operator had its own mechanics and saw no problem with other A&P's working there.
I suggest you go and read Atlantic Aviation web site and pay attention to their corporate mission statement.
skylloyd
skylloyd 1
If Atlantic Aviation has a FAA repair station ticket, and one A&P mechanic, that's all it takes, he/she can sign off on someone elses work.
sandylns
Brian Lager 1
If it is certified under part 145 one A&P won't cut it. If you look at the Certificate of Compliance under this mandate it says, in part, that you must have sufficient supervisory personnel to udertake certification of the work of others. Remember, the A&P has to inspect and approve any work carried out by others. With a couple of hundred aircraft sitting around, one A&P would be worked to death and be forced to cut corners. That work would include any line maintenance, parts replacecment, service checks and numerous other squarks generated by the aircrews.
skylloyd
skylloyd 1
Please understand I was using this as a example, I haven't been pounding flightline concrete for many moons. I worked the F/L at Boeing flt.test and they of course were compliant, at the time there were very few A&P's, FCC licensed people, but we had QA, when I left Boeing, it was required for pre-employment, to have one or the other type license, no QA inspectors had a A&P, but they could sign off a mechanic's/electricians work under part 145, repair station ceertified.
sandylns
Brian Lager 1
I know where you are coming from. I pounded the same concrete for 45 years (and have the knee replacements to attest to that) Type endorsements are a way of life in commercial aviation. Some of the rules in FAR 145 are bizarre. Having worked on three continents both military and commercial it always suprises me when there is some work around that favors FBO's. That they can get away with having only one A&P is not right and, in my opinion, unsafe.
I was trained in the UK. A far more strict environment for certification. I also have endorsements from the DOT here in Canada and an A&P to boot.
Aviation workers without certification should be supervised at every move. If you only have one guy to do that then that is both unfair to him and to the customer.
Sign offs by QA or inspectors was done here in Canada. However, today, only AME'S endorsed on type can sign off. QA/nspectors are only utilised on heavy inspections such a major overhauls. Even so they must be type endorsed.
I just wish the FAA would go to that system. Both the UK and EU use it. It is far more rigid and it does weed out the cowboys.
erictuff
Eric Tuff 1
Have you ever even been to an airport? Scabs... Really this is a discussion about aviation not unions. Quality earns the right and trust of a person not tenure!
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
Well if it is flyable take it to your mechanic; they can't stop you from flying it out if it is legal....I knew some guys that used to land their planes in a field to let the ousted mechanic/fbo operater work on their planes...A lot have the capabilty to be mobile any way.
preacher1
preacher1 1
You found me. Send me a message
flyamav
Jane Toskes 0
The document that governs airports that receive federal monies is the Airports Compliance Handbook (Order 5190.6A - there may be a more current revision). Paragraph 22f states that an aircraft owner/operator may perform services on its own aircraft with its own employees.
Anyone conducting an aeronautical activity, such as performing maintenance on someone elses airplane, must meet the standards of the airport. The airport owner should publish minimum standards and then everyone conducting aeronautical activites must meet those standards. If you are unable or unwilling to meet the minimum standards then you are not authorized to conduct aeronautical activities at that airport.
Yes, it is sometimes annoying that there are restrictions. But is it "fair" for one maintenance facility to meet the airport requirements for insurance and public access, adding to its operating costs, while another facility does not meet those requirements and therefore operates at a lower cost? All the government is trying to do is establish a "level playing field" for aeronautical business.
leemarks
Lee Marks 1
Hypothetically, I own a 182 and want Hank to perform maintenance on my aircraft because, after all, Hank has been turning the wrenches on my airplane for the past 20 years, and I only trust Hank. Looking at paragraph 22f, why not just call Hank my employee since I own the aircraft and I am paying him for his services and tell Atlantic to pound sand?
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
I'm sure there is a loophole to be found, however, calling someone your "employee" has lots of ramifications and most of them not good.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I'll second that. Lot's more to it than just calling someone your employee. In a p#$$%^&* contest such as this, you would very well need the documentation to back it up.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
That's your business experience showing up ILO your pilot experience. As you well know you have a lot of obligations to any true employee and a paper trail. Dry down your way Whayne?
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
I mean Wayne. Sorry. Our Cat distributor is Whayne Supply. Habits are hard to break. Lol
preacher1
preacher1 1
Bad dry. I'll answer to anything.LOL. BTW, had a new grandson yesterday afternoon about 2. They were planned for the 9th but Nature don't wait. 10lb 8 oz boy, 20 1/2" long. All doing well, but I probably won't be on much in the next day or 3.lol
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Congrats!!!!
preacher1
preacher1 1
they found a heart murmur during the night on the baby. Macine here not small enough to do echo on him so they transferred him to childrens hosp in LIT. All I know right now, more when I do, Wayne
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Sorry to hear that. I'm sure all will be well. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Had a tough time with my son when he was born 17 years ago but the Lord took care of us.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I'm sure he will but you can't help but feel a little anxious. I just spoke with my son. The talked to Childrens and are stillawaiting test results.

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