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3 dead, 2 injured in helicopter airplane midair collision near Fredrick, MD

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3 fatalities were in R44 helicopter, 2 injured in the Cirrus SR22 (www.nbcwashington.com) 更多...

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malcolmmckee
malcolmmckee 1
Looks like the SR22 Parachute deployment worked. This article says:

"The two men on the plane were taken by ambulance to Meritus Medical Center in Hagerstown, but were being discharged, hospital spokeswoman Joelle Butler said in an email about three hours after the collision."

http://news.yahoo.com/police-plane-helicopter-collide-maryland-203423275.html
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 1
UPDATE:

CNN showing images of the crash site. The fixed wing a/c is a Cirrus (you can see the parachute deployed).
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
According to news reports of ownership, it appears the aircraft is aCirrus 22 Reg N122ES.
News photos show an orange and white parachute.
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 2
Link to the SR22 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N122ES/history/20141023/1630Z/KRZR/KFDK
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
The chute kinda lead me to that guess and I am not too sure how that (a chute) is going to work on a chopper. The next big invention maybe, and I have been close enough a couple of times to say it can happen to anybody. Another day, another NTSB report. Aahhh general aviation, the big sky theory has its wrinkles. Used to drink adult beverages regularly with one of its victims. Don't think he saw it coming, nor will I. Stay alert out there!
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 1
The Russians have managed to put ejector seats on some of their military helicopters. The rotor blades are released with an explosive charge, and then the ejector seat with parachute fires. I give them a lot of credit for tackling the helicopter crew survival problem. There was a Ka-52K that crashed a year ago near Moscow (ironically due to the ejector seat firing accidentally), and while the pilots were injured, there were no fatalities.
bentwing60
bentwing60 2
I guess when you inadvertently blow off the rotor blades and launch the pilots and they survive you have a valid test?
spinoneone
The tower cleared the Cirrus to land. Obviously, someone was where they weren't supposed to be. Operations under VFR are "see and be seen" but the helicopter operating under the Cirrus was likely invisible to the Cirrus pilot. It appears the Cirrus was flying a standard left-hand pattern to land on runway 30 at KFDK. The Cirrus was probably supposed to maintain 1000 AGL while on downwind and the helicopter was probably supposed to remain below 1000 AGL in the vicinity of the airport.
AirBalance
Jeff Lewis 2
Listening to the ATC recording, it appears nobody was out of position. The tower controller had cleared the helicopter to conduct local training flights, and had cleared the arriving Cirrus to land, with a late restriction to "...maintain your altitude until turning base...," just seconds before screams are transmitted (most likely from the plummeting helicopter). ATC had reported that she saw the Cirrus, and the Cirrus had told her he had two of the three helicopters in sight. ATC had not alerted the impact helicopter about the arriving Cirrus. The odds of a collision are seemingly small, yet this is exactly the scenario to show the need for both pilots and ATC to be forever vigilant, and for ATC to be tenacious in the application of Positive Control.

The problem this tragedy illuminates is that FAA's attitude about mixing fixed-wing and helicopter traffic is simply to push the helicopter flight patterns under the fixed-wing patterns. This approach is inadequate, since it still leaves a high potential that there will be points (especially during descents) where the flight patterns intersect. This means that, at the few airports that set up intensive helicopter training programs, FAA will continue to fail to adequately separate and de-conflict these traffic flows.

Here's a transcript produced from the audio: http://aireform.com/october-23-2014-transcript-of-kfdk-midair-collision/
spinoneone
According to AOPA's Airport Directory, the pattern altitudes at KFDK are: Pattern Altitude: Tpa 1000' AGL Single & Light Twins - 1500' AGL Large Twins Heavy Aircraft: 1803 MSL; Turbine Aircraft: 1803 MSL; Light Aircraft: 1303 MSL; Rotorcraft: 1100 MSL

There should have been a minimum of 200 feet separation between the Cirrus and the R-44. Clearly, there was not. I agree with your analysis. When student pilots are thrown into the mix, helicopter or fixed-wing, the problem increases.
bbabis
bbabis 1
Not sure if FDK requires all left hand traffic but the helicopters should use right hand traffic. Helicopters should "avoid the flow of fixed wing traffic." The best way to accomplish that is to fly the other side of the pattern. So very sad. May God rest their souls and comfort the families.
bizjets101
biz jets 1
N122ES SR-22
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 1
UPDATE:
Frederick Co. Fire confirms 3 dead, 2 survive after helicopter & small plane collided mid-air near Frederick Municipal Airport.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Update from local TV Station
3 fatalities were in R44 helicopter, 2 injured in the C22.
Earlier info about a police helo is incorrect.
More here:
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/plane-helicopter-collide-in-frederick-area/29305374
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
Here's the ATC audio of the accident... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDy2qI6ZVts
btweston
btweston 1
Disturbing.
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 0
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Helicopter, small plane collide mid-air in Maryland

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WASHINGTON -- Maryland State Police are on the scene of a mid-air collision between a small plane and a helicopter in Frederick County.

The crash happened just after 3:40 p.m. on Thursday near the Frederick Municipal Airport.

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