An Emirates Airline flight from India caught fire after making an emergency landing at Dubai International Airport on Wednesday, but all 300 passengers and crew escaped from the burning fuselage, authorities said. (www.reuters.com) 更多...
Don't read too much into the "reminder". I have sat in the cockpit numerous times before and at an airport where i was stationed, during the approach it was routine for tower to remind the crew to check that landing gear was down and locked
I just a passenger and know nothing about flying an air plain but i think the airline MFG need to look at having some way of having the cabin crew throwing a switch that would LOCK the over head bins in a emergency or in the pilot check list on ALL landings LOCK the over head bins on any landing. I see it all the time as a passengers people trying to get things out of the overhead bins while the plain is taxing to the gate and the cabin crew has to tell them to sit down . Have the cabin crew make a announcement before landing the overhead bins will unlock when the plain comes to a complete STOP ate the gate . How simple is that
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be effective and may actually have a negative effect in an emergency. In an emergency situation people do not act rationally, hence the reason why people try to get their stuff rather than getting the hell out of there. If the overhead bins are locked people will undoubtedly block the aisles while they try to get it open. Apart from intensive training for every passenger, the only real options would be to restrict carry on (unlikely) or the current method where cabin crew are given significant training for being calm and very assertive in those situations.
Passenger behaviour during emergencies is a fascinating research area. e.g. The reason all the safety demos and videos show you how to lift the buckle on the seat belt is because people are familiar with the mechanisms in their cars. People were found to be trapped in their seats or have difficulty to do something simple like lifting a the flap on the buckle because the rational part of the brain is not in control.
Research has shown those who pay attention to the safety demos and videos rather than reading their books or whatever have a higher survival rate.
Everything is factored on being able to evacuate the plane in 90 seconds, and that should be possible with half the exits blocked. Apart from the death of the fireman, this accident appears to be close to an ideal outcome. Everyone got out before the entire thing went up in flames, despite being at a modern well resourced airport. It's almost surreal that you can be happily flying along and within 2 minutes you need to be running from the plane. The injury rate from this accident is actually lower than what you'd typically expect from an evacuation.
If this ever came reality people that fly will know about this as time goes on and would be reminded by the cabin crew when they make there announcement that they are about to land . Some thing else that bothers me is just as the plain is ready to land people have to get up and use the rest room they have been setting some times hours and now it is time to go to the bathroom . I take a 14hr flight from Atlanta to Korea and this always is the way.
Or perhaps issuing amd training flight crews on the use of cattle prods for these situations. Seems to me getting your clients off alive is the penultimate customer service.
Wow FlyDubai FDB848 blew it having only 7 minutes reserve for holding pattern. Might be an investigation on that flight too. I'm sure there are some local Saudi's and UAE guys that would like a reason for that trick in the land of fuel. The flight just left Riyadh Airport.
a go around was initiated but the aoa was to big resulting in a tailstrike and crashing back on the runway shearing off the maingear. Deep regret for the firefighter who lost his life, they are reak heroes RIP
Actually, a missed approach initiated at a very low altitude may allow the main wheels to contact the runway, with little or no damage occurring. It is also part of the autoland certification, I believe, however autoland was not selected to my knowledge. Some airlines allow landing flap settings less than full for gusty/crosswind conditions but I can't believe the crew would have only approach flaps set for landing in which case the gear warning would only activate when the thrust levers were retarded to idle, around 50', very unfortunate but extremely fortunate for the pax and crew. The recorders will tell the story.
Having witnessed "normal" disembarkation of flights from the sub-continent I still can't imagine how they managed to get everyone out of and away from this hulk without deaths or serious injuries, especially with reports that some evacuees experienced smoke inhalation meaning they must have been proximate to combustion.
How do you stop 280 plus panicking sheep from blocking up the exits, get them out and down the slides without their carry-ons and duty-free, and herd them safely away from the debris without being run over by the ARFF ?
There used to be a saying "amateurs practice to try and get it right, professionals practice so they never get it wrong". I guess there must have been a professional crew on EK521.
Them poor buggers on SV163 weren't this fortunate : aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/cvr_sv163.php
there's a vid showing the evac. everyone seemed to be going for their carry on. but you can hear the crew yelling to leave it and jump. not sure if they were turning people away with luggage.
The ATC told him to go around its my understanding. The pilot in command has the final call to continue the landing if its too late to abort and its his call when to raise the gear on a go around. Pilot in command.
I agree with you Thrustt that the PF calls for "Gear Up', however the Captain doesn't raise the gear level by rote, but confirms in his own mind that it is safe to do so before raising the gear level.
It sure does, I am been researching this for last hour, it's alarmingly more common then we think, but the vast majority of cases are corrected by an exigent call to " go around" Sound familiar?
I have to agree. But like previously mentioned, it won't be too long until we know, those pesky black boxes have a way of telling the truth.....even if it's ugly....
Explosions only happen when fuel and oxidizer/air mix. Fuel would have to be spraying or evaporating into a space where it could mix for that to happen.
Jane, Great performance by Emirates' crew members just like the spectacular performance by crew members on the TWA L-1011 that crashed after a rejected takeoff at JFK in the early 1990's. All seats full, fire, total hull loss and no fatalities or serious injuries to PAX or crew members during the evacuation.
This one is shaping up to be an epic pilot botch job, like Asiana in SFO only with less loss of life. The plane failed a go around after needing a reminder from the tower to put the gear down. Yikes.
Install damned electromagnetic locks in the overhead lockers! You cannot fight human psychology but you can prevent ppl from obstructing the evacuation this way :/
Any updates on this crash? The last I heard is that the flight came in for a landing and there was no indication of a problem by either the tower or the pilots until the plane visibly starting skidding down the runway. The witnesses at the time claimed that the landing gear was not visible at the crash site.
As improbable as it may be, from the published pictures and videos it looks like the 777 "landed" with gear up.
Video I've watched indicates that this was a belly landing and the starboard engine had already come off before the plane skidded to a halt see @edmundbasil
I saw an inside video, assuming it was real...I got two things out of it: 1) "Our plane has crash landed, I'm going to shoot a video for CNN" 2)"Honey, don't forget to retrieve our carry-ons on the way out".
Rule number one. Pay attention to the In Flight Cabin Crew. Save your life...not your Laptop! Emirates Cabin Crew did exactly what they were trained to do. Job well done!
If the Company some one works for has to go there, just maybe those company's should get to gather with other company's and talk to American air company's to change this! I Know Dubai would not like this one bit, nor would our current President! But nothing is going to get better if they don't!
My understanding is that "gear up" is what necessitated the go around. It seems really hard to believe though as every bell and whistle should have been screaming at these guys to lower gear at that low of altitude..... Any pilots out there that can confirm this?
They have already clarified that the request for a go around was initiated by the crew, and confirmed by the tower. This was reported as a reminder to put the gear down. No indication that the crew forgot the gear. Too early to say whether or not the gear was the problem. We have two 7,000 hour pilots and intact voice and input recorders, so it shouldn't be a problem to reconstruct.
Sorry, correction! As reported by the Aviation Herald:...tower advised the crew to plan to vacate the runway at taxiway M9 (editorial note: which several listeners including the editor originally understood as a reminder for the crew to lower the gear) and cleared the aircraft to land.
Updated: Emirates B777 at Dubai on Aug 3rd 2016, touched down during go-around without gear, aircraft on fire
An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777-300, registration A6-EMW performing flight EK-521 from Thiruvananthapuram (India) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates) with 282 passengers and 18 crew, was on final approach to Dubai's runway 12L at 12:41L (08:41Z) but attempted to go around from low height. The aircraft however did not climb, but after retracting the gear touched down on the runway and burst into flames
Emirates Boeing 777 Explodes on Dubai Runway After Crash Landing
An Emirates airline flight from India crash-landed at the city’s international airport with 282 passengers and 18 crew on board. Everyone on board was safely evacuated.
Accident: Emirates B777 at Dubai on Aug 3rd 2016, touched down during go-around without gear, aircraft on fire
An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777-300, registration A6-EMW performing flight EK-521 from Thiruvananthapuram (India) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates) with 275 people on board, was on final approach to Dubai's runway 12L at 12:41L (08:41Z) but attempted to go around from low height. The aircraft however did not climb, but after retracting the gear touched down on the runway and burst into flames. All occupants evacuated safely, no injuries are being reported. The aircraft burned down completely.
Emirates Jet Burns on Runway After Dubai Airport ‘Accident’
An Emirates jet carrying 275 people burned on the runway at Dubai International Airport on Wednesday after what the airline described as an “accident.The fire began to spread rapidly and by the time the fire engines got there the entire top half of the plane was on fire, NBC News Digital chief technology officer Krishna Bhagavathul said while in a terminal overlooking the runway.
Supposedly there was a ship waiting at the approach end who saw the whole thing....gear was down, 49C temp (120F) plane was high and fast with a cross wind.....hit hard and bounced made a futile attempt to go around.....flipped the gear up but no power kicked in and the bird mushed down the runway. The gear down or up confusion may be due to the ATC people in the region asking all the birds to check their gear when they clear them to land. In any case the boxes will tell all in a few days, and considering what could have happened the whole thing is a miracle. The drivers are almost certainly looking for their next job right now.
UAE trained their pilots and cabin crew well, but the passengers were certainly idiotic in not listening to them.
What I mean by that is that in that type of emergency, when your aircraft is on fire and could kill you, they took their time to open the overhead bins to get their things out prior to getting off the plane. The time taken to do that could have killed someone.
After seeing that, the passengers are really lucky that none of them perished AFTER the plane crashed.
Amazing that everyone on board escaped despite the chaos. Kudos to the Emerites training and discipline Condolences to the family of the firefighter. Will definitely be following this
interesting that, no matter what the safety briefing directed, people still wanted to take their carry-on from overhead lockers and I am wondering if this is in fact normal behaviour in these rare events. Excellent the passengers and crew were all OK, but a firefighter should not die.
First, my condolences to the family and friends of the fallen firefighter...the actions of himself, his collegues and the airlines FA's saved all lives aboard...Second, it's interesting to read news directly from those on board who said this "Passengers said that minutes before the flight crash-landed, the pilot made an announcement that he needed to make an emergency landing. Iype Vallikadan, a reporter from Indian newspaper Mathrubhumi News, said the passengers indicated the pilot spoke to them as the plane neared Dubai, saying there was a problem with the landing gear and that he would make an emergency landing." All we can do is wait to see what really transpired..even VASAviation, seen in Brad Littlejohn's post, said "The audio feeds from Dubai are so poor. It's not heard when pilot says he's going around. Then the ATCs instructs him to go around and climb straight to 4000'"...but look where the craft is when, according to the computer animation, when instructed to "continue straight and climb to 4000"...this should be interesting.
Hard to believe that if they had a gear problem and told the passengers about it that the Capt would not have declared and emergency. Not too mention that the tower would have an A380 on short final behind them with a B777 with landing gear problems. It just doesn't add up. And how would a landing gear problem only present it self just before touchdown? And if it did I doubt the crew would have time to inform the passengers. Just applying common sense to some prior theories...
True Cade..however we dont have the full story and I, for 1, as are many many others, want to see what really transpired..and why would the tower instruct a climb out so late in the lane?
Yes Rapidwolve, my point exactly, speculation with a lack of actual facts only leads to incorrect conclusions. But it is interesting to bring facts into posters assumptions, especially when they reference news agencies as their "sources".
Does a passenger plane like this have a warning system to tell the pilots if they have neglected to deploy the landing gear and are close to the ground?
It was posted 4 months ago and the last comment prior to yours was 3 months ago. Did it just appear in your list as something new? If so, it might be tied with FA's web page redesign somehow. I've seen a few other old squawks popping up with new comments like this.
EK 521 crash lands at DUB - reports say 300 evacuated successfully
An Emirates 773 ER has reportedly crash landed at DUB. There are reports of a burning aircraft, no landing gear in sight, and a successful evacuation of 300 passengers and crew.
Was it an accident / incident / crash landing or whatever, when any thing could have happened , but did not ! Every one is safe and sound , plus all the relevant equipment. An excellent and a rare opportunity for flying safety regulators and manufactures alike, to study why-with-all of every thing.The study will go a long way in ensuring better safety measures , in terms of operations and manufacturing alike, be it malfunction , defective engineering including inefficient maintenance and inapt operation / flying. After all a few things did go hay wire , putting question marks on both , man and machine !
Emirates Plane From Thiruvananthapuram Crash Lands In Dubai, Passengers Safe
The plane, a Boeing 777, landed on its tail at around 12.45 pm local time. Its right wing caught fire and a part of the engine appeared to have fallen off.
All passengers of flight EK 521 were evacuated safely through emergency exits before the fire spread, said officials. Of the 282 passengers on board, 226 were Indians.
An Emirates flight from India with 300 people on board crash landed at Dubai's main airport Wednesday, sending black smoke billowing into the air and halting all traffic at the Middle East's busiest airport.