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Twitter has suspended the @ElonJet airplane tracking account, just a month after Elon Musk claimed to support free speech on his social media platform. (www.gatechecked.com) 更多...

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scubaboy3c
Steven Williamson 1
Lol! A dumpster fire of a human being running a dumpster fire of a company! I find his‘antics' highly entertaining, great fodder for the late night talk show hosts!
drpepper
drpepper 1
Kudos to those commenters here that correctly recognized:
- Twitter is a private company, so the 1st Amendment doesn't apply.
- There are plenty of ways to track an aircraft.
- There are ways for an aircraft owner to shield themselves and their flight plans from public view.
- The account in question tracked where Elon's jet WAS or IS, not where it will be. Any paparazzi would be able to provide more information. PS the Elon Jet account is now on FB. ;-)

That being said, it's pretty apparent that Elon is not the great leader people think he is. The recent revelations about how he had to be "managed and handled" at Telsa and SpaceX show he's just another oligarch that thinks his talent is deeper and wider than it is. Case in point: https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-inc-technology-business-8dac8ae023444ef9c37ca1d8fe1c14df
m4design
Andre Page 2
Uh, cant we track him here? What's his "N Number"? ;-)
KGHalbe
Kenneth Halbe 2
Musk said he would not take this account down to protect his safety - and he didn't. He took it down for the safety of his child!!!

Wouldn't you do whatever you could if you thought YOUR child was in danger. Luckily the driver that jumped on the car hood didn't just run him off the road thinking Elon was in the car.

What reason does anyone need to know the exact location of Elon Musk is at an given time? I don't think Publishing Clearinghouse uses it to locate the winners.
1ValerieScott
Valerie Scott -1
and suspends journalist, and any other account that is critical of musk or his (warped) ideology. so much for freedom of speech on twitter....
darjr26
darjr26 4
Musk has enough money to employ a small, no make that a large army, to protect him and his family. I don’t think he’s in any danger and I sure don’t fell sorry for him. He made a big mistake overpaying for twitter and now he’s stuck with it, too bad. If you don’t want people to know where you’re flying take a train or better yet move to Russia. They have lots of open airspace these days.
dlentz78
Dl TL -1
I had ice cream for dessert today.
6686L
Peter F. Hartmann Esq. 0
Thank you for posting that "you had ice cream for dessert". My compliments....as your post was no more or less relevant to my keeping abreast of aviation matters, than the other posts in here. I suspec there are folks who would like to know where I go. I know that when I am using the public airspace, anyone can see where and when I took off from, and when and where I went (I have not bothered to try and "hide" my ADS-B transmissions). What puzzles me about these discussions, is once I am on the ground, and shut off my avionics "master", (meaning I can no longer be tracked) how can some person with ill-will towards me, find me? Or this Tesla guy? Given the obvious fact that they cant...what is all the fuss about ?
petergrug
petergrug 0
the information posted is not public information.
Mr Sweeney figured out the private tracking code (PIA =privacy ICAO address) that isn't tied to the civil aviation registry.
it was a dangerous thing to do.
lvenable
lvenable 2
Stalking is not freedom of speech. Not allowing someone to track your movements is not in itself sinister.
srobak
srobak 1
so every time you fire up flightaware and follow a plane - or have a list of favorites - you are stalking?

Re-posting federally required and publicly available ADS-B info in no way equates to "stalking".

Considering that data is also delayed up to several minutes on the publicly accessible ADS-B sites - no lives are in jeopardy by re-posting that data, which also incurs an additional delay.

Think. Then post.
a1brainiac
a1brainiac 6
Doesn't Elon Musk realize that there are many other ways to track his plane?
n555cf
rbt schaffer 4
I can track him if I care to without that KIDs help. It doesn't require any GENIUS.
bradan
Bradan Fleming 1
I agree with the bot's suspension because tracking individuals is immoral, but I doubt that makes it much harder for a malicious actor to find the real-time position of his plane.
Doesn't the PIA program exist specifically to prevent people from identifying a plane's operator by its ICAO code in ADS-B transmissions?
srobak
srobak 5
he was tracking a plane (actually - dozens), not a person. It is literally the entire premise that flightaware.com is built on.
bradan
Bradan Fleming 2
FlightAware doesn't publicly display flights from LADD-blocked planes as far as I know.
srobak
srobak 1
Other ADS-B platforms do.
vsolo
vsolo 1
Actually, most people Want to avoid him. :)

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/poll-most-people-want-to-know-elon-musks-location-so-they-can-avoid-him
srobak
srobak 2
ah - that must be why he has over 100M followers. How many do you have? Seems like more people want to avoid you.
JacksonRentsAtlanta
Jackson Franco 2
It is CLEAR what side of the aisle FlightAware is on. Elon is not stupid. After buying Twitter and ending the anti conservative bias and election interference the left went insane, calling for him to be killed, calling for him to be hurt, etc. I don't blame Elon for removing the tracking account. Come on, FlightAware, get a clue.
srobak
srobak 3
It appears you do not understand ADS-B anymore than EM does. This also does not fall into Flightaware's lap.

This is publicly available, federally required information, and is not even real-time. He and his family's lives are in no more jeopardy today from this technology and any accounts that re-post data from these streams than they were a year ago or than they will be in 5 years from now. His banning of the account or any others that re-posts ADS-B info has absolutely no impact on his visibility or safety. This is grasping at straws for the sake of doing so. If that is his reason for banning the account - it makes him look under-informed and downright foolish. His argument is with the FAA, not a 20 year old kid re-posting public datastreams.
srobak
srobak 12
This is a triple-sided discussion, and not one of the 3 sides is taking each sides' facts into account:

1> This is not a free speech issue. Free speech - as defined in the 1A - is the ability for the people to express their views against their government without reprisal by said government. That's it. EM is not a politician nor any part of any government. Twitter is no longer part of any government. The first amendment does not apply to privately (or publicly) held entities. For those of you who do not understand this - go give this a read repeatedly until you do: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-1/

2> EM does not understand ADS-B. This is publicly available, federally required information, and is not even real-time. He and his family's lives are in no more jeopardy today from this technology and any accounts that re-post data from these streams than they were a year ago or than they will be in 5 years from now. His banning of the account or any others that re-posts ADS-B info has absolutely no impact on his visibility or safety. This is grasping at straws for the sake of doing so. If that is his reason for banning the account - it makes him look under-informed and downright foolish. His argument is with the FAA, not a 20 year old kid re-posting public datastreams.

3> Twitter is a private company, now controlled by 1 person. He can do whatever he wants, and for whatever reason he wants... even if his reasoning is not based on facts or reality. For anyone to object to him doing this makes them look under-informed and downright foolish. If someone opts to disassociate themselves with the platform on this (or any other) ideological reason vs. on the basis of what benefit or need the platform itself is serving - then continuing to fly or drive despite the "harm to the environment" ideology they most likely also follow makes them a hypocrite.
Bobqat
Bob Harrington 2
Musk reported this at the same time he reported that some ninja-LARPing antifa-wannabe soyldier blocked a car in which Musk's son was riding, then jumped on the car's hood. I suspect Musk may have been just a bit upset at the time.

I think I also heard the the elonjet account was unblocked again; not sure which of the current sound-alike accounts might or might not be that one.

Along with your second item above, I suspect Musk may have been running on an excess of adrenalin at the moment.
harriergnawing0c
Stef Lar 4
“He can do whatever he wants” - Of course can do whatever he wants. However, just a few months ago HE HIMSELF claimed that he wouldn’t ban the account for ideological reasons. It’s perfectly reasonable to call him out on that, especially after that flimsy excuse he gave.

“then continuing to fly or drive despite the "harm to the environment" ideology they most likely also follow makes them a hypocrite” - If you can’t perceive the difference in the carbon emissions used by a CAR that that is used weekly—a Tesla, perhaps—by an individual or small family and a PLANE that is used weekly by an individual or small family… well, there’s nothing that can be said to convince you, I guess.
srobak
srobak 0
The 2nd half of your reply - I was addressing the fact of people taking action purely for ideological reasons, and using that as a premium example. It is well known that 3-5x regular carbon emissions of 1 car are generated in efforts to create, maintain and then dispose of EV materials. I am not here trying to argue EV vs. gas cars and jet carbon emissions. I am simply pointing out that taking an ideological stance against an entire platform is simply silly.
LeftlySC
Stephen Leftly 1
Your numbers on CO2 emissions for EVs is wrong. I am unsure where your "well known" people are getting their facts from.

For example see: https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/comparative-life-cycle-greenhouse-gas-emissions-of-a-mid-size-bev-and-ice-vehicle


Also if you look in detail at most of the analysis done they considerably overstate the CO2 emissions of EVs. Most of the analysis assumes that the battery going into an EV is one use and done. However most of the materials in an EV battery are valuable and are getting recycled (not a lot yet). If we take the Prius battery as an example ( many more around for much longer) there are almost none of those batteries going into landfills as they are too valuable. A dead Prius EV battery is worth at least $200-$300 each.

Additionally many analysis assume a smaller than probable vehicle lifetime mileage. In the example I give about they assume that the EV only lasts for 124,000 miles (200,000Km) which is ridiculously small. Most EVs probably have a lifetime of somewhere north of 250,000 miles as there is so much less to wear out.

Also many analysis overstate the CO2 intensity of the electricity generation and as more renewables come on line the CO2 emissions will drop significantly.

MichaelDealey
Michael Dealey 2
You have completely missed the point and don't even know it.
srobak
srobak 2
I agree with you on that, Stef. Saying one thing and then doing something different is BS. Past that - he doesn't know what he is talking about with regards for his justifications in taking the action he did - see my point #2 above.
elops
tj shear 2
Best description of the issue I have read. Excellent!
srobak
srobak 2
Thank you, I appreciate that.
araujoone
Alex Araujo 8
I imagine airplane lovers to be reasonable people because "Flying" and "unreasonable" can easily lead to catastrophic failure. I am intrigued by the brave attempt, in this comment section, of reasonable people to engage in dialogue with unreasonable people. Not everything is totally subjective. It is possible to effectively sort fact from fiction on many issues, including whether Musk's aerial peregrinations should be tracked and reported on Twitter.
kpbarbee
Kevin Barbee 5
Great new word (for me): Peregrinations! Thank you!
gretair
RG GR 2
kpbarbee
Kevin Barbee 0
Gosh, Elon, self-appointed champion and defender of free speech, is blocking/suspending journalists who report on this. Free speech is OK unless it affects him!
srobak
srobak 2
This is not a free speech issue. Free speech - as defined in the 1A - is the ability for the people to express their views against their government without reprisal by said government. That's it. EM is not a politician nor any part of any government. Twitter is no longer part of any government. The first amendment does not apply to privately (or publicly) held entities. For those of you who do not understand this - go give this a read repeatedly until you do: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-1/
MKZuza
MaryKathryn Zuza -1
Last I check physical tracking an object is not speech. Are you that homely with nothing better to contribute to yourself? This is how you spend your time? Boring.
Nultech
Nultech 3
What is Twitter?
n555cf
rbt schaffer -7
It's a $44Billion bag of hot air with a large A-hole gassing off. Likely won't be around much longer by the looks that is has no employees left.
wiskijan
Dan Golembeski 1
More evidence how "freedom of speech" is always a political decision, come to by reasonable people talking to one another and coming to compromise. I'd be happy to use Elon's example to put a check on other unreasonable forms of speech: advertisements for gambling on television, commercials on TV and internet in ways that are undermining the health of children and adults alike, too-fast speeds on highways, motorcyclists freedom to not wear helmets, and on and on....
rmchambers
rmchambers 22
It's a private company and he, the owner, can do what he wants. more to the point, who cares?
KoolerKT
KoolerKT 2
Clearly a lot of people do.
wiskijan
Dan Golembeski 5
Totally agree.
amacnabb
amacnabb -1
What a BS, attention-grabbing sub-headine:

"...just a month after Elon Musk claimed to support free speech on his social media platform."

Tha account belonged to an individual (not Musk) who was essentially tracking and posting the location of Elon's jet (and therefore, presumably, Mr. Musk).

This is not a "free speech" issue, it's a security issue... One in which some nut-job could take action on and cause harm. It is, in fact, a form of doing..

Twitter has opened-up immensely, with many previously "banned" accounts being reinstated, a d free speech being once again allowed.

Musk did the right thing in eliminating the account.

NEXT...

amacnabb
amacnabb 3
A form of DOXXING (not doing). Dang auto-correct.
LynnGoss
Lynn Goss 0
Stalking is not a form of free speech.
srobak
srobak 2
so every time you fire up flightaware and follow a plane - or have a list of favorites - you are stalking?

Re-posting federally required and publicly available ADS-B info in no way equates to "stalking".
wiskijan
Dan Golembeski 0
Thanks for reminding us that controling speech is definitely in the interest of society.
basstrumpeter
Robert May -1
This is a totally appropriate action, similar to prohibiting doxxing. It should be done for any twit who posts someone else's private information. Not a free speech issue.
DaveRK
DaveRK 5
Playing devil's advocate here...
"...someone else's private information."
Actually it is NOT private information. While the majority of the public doesn't have a clue how to get it, the data is in the publc domain.
And IMO when the founders declared "Free Speech", they were talking about speaking out against the government, not being allowed to say or do any stupid or foolish thing just because a person wants to.
orca11
Steve Wale 13
You know what I don't want to see in my aviation stream? Politics. Can't we have one place in this world where we don't do this crap? Lets just look at planes.
srobak
srobak 8
how exactly is this political? EM is not a politician. ADS-B is exactly what put this forum on the map.
georgewilhelmsen
George Wilhelmsen 7
This is BS.
Where is the ZUCKJET tracking?
Where is the BEZOSJET tracking?

Sharing someone's information in real time isn't appropriate. Even FLIGHT AWARE doesn't do that - there is a subtle delay.

He violated the Twitter policy, and got bit for it. Stop whining, and either offer to put a delay in, or stop posting.

Also, one of Musk's stated goals is to get THE BOTS OFF TWITTER. You want to tweet - do it yourself.
srobak
srobak 3
He was tracking those as well as a couple dozen others - both private and government. All those accounts got whacked.
augerin
Dave Mathes 2
....and down the rabbit hole we go....
dawsontx
Jim Dawson 5
It seems that so many loved Twitter when they blocked Trump. Now they hate Twitter when someone on the other side of the fence is blocked. Censorship not so comfortable on the other foot? Get a life!
jmjoness
James Jones 6
So, for all of you that don't like twitter's actions, how would you feel if someone else was posting your (or your children's) location 24 hours a day? I think their action was more appropriate than telling me that I can't object to forced injections by a govenment gone awry.
wiskijan
Dan Golembeski -1
He (or his children) have only to travel coach.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 6
...said no one who can afford not to ever.
wiskijan
Dan Golembeski -3
He (or his children) have only to travel coach. How would you (or your children) like it if their neighbor could pollute without anyone knowing about it?
n555cf
rbt schaffer 0
Elon is pulling a Howard Hughes on us... He has lost his mind over this twitter and is OCD crazy.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
Asperger's but that's what he says.
I take it you have some sort of medical license that would permit you to dispute that diagnosis.

In this age of mainstreaming, we celebrate differences...or at least that's what the left claims to be all about (except differences in opinion....THAT isn't cool).

Musk is an enigma...an obviously other-worldly FOCUSED enigma.

A unique pleasure to behold.
n555cf
rbt schaffer 1
$44 Billion for a channel of crazies blowing Hot Air... really?
srobak
srobak 1
it was already inhabited by hot-air blowing crazies when he got it. They didn't just appear there overnight. It's just that now more of them are allowed to be heard.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
You've never been, have you?

You can find practically anything there.
Tons and tons of completely non-political stuff.

No need to see even ONE "crazy".
21voyageur
21voyageur 0
Twitter is now Musk's toy, and as such he can do as he pleases regardless of how twisted, self-serving, bizarre, hypocritical, etc. it may be. As owner, his actions will now reflect his persona; quite interesting to observe from afar. Seems like following the former richest man in the world is like watching a slow-motion train wreck.
srobak
srobak 1
you already posted that
NF2G
David Stark 0
...and you have posted your strawman argument about Flightaware how many times?
srobak
srobak 2
I am responding in-line to subthreads. Not posting the same top level thread repeatedly. People in this group have a tendency to not read outside of their own respective subthread. I do, however. Glad to see that you are in that minority as well.
21voyageur
21voyageur 2
Twitter is now Musk's toy, and as such he can do as he pleases regardless of how twisted, self-serving, bizarre, hypocritical, etc. it may be. As owner, his actions will now reflect his persona; quite interesting to observe from afar. Seems like following the former richest man in the world is like watching a slow-motion train wreck.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -7
Boy, you must have REALLY hated it when the comsymps ran the effort.

Talk about a train wreck.

At least now we can see both sides of the argument.

We know the left doesn't like it because they can't censor anymore what their version of " twisted, bizarre, self-serving, hypocritical, etc." is.

Only pussies block. ;)
Rosomak
Rosomak 2
This was predictable. Safety and security only matter when it directly impacts him.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 3
Really? What about the kiddie porn and bots he's booted?

Think a sec before saying something probably false.
Rosomak
Rosomak -6
Really? What kiddie porn? What bots? Show me a shred of evidence he’s done anything of the sort (other than his “word”).

Think for a sec before writing something that is definitely STUPID
MichaelDealey
Michael Dealey 2
Are you denying kiddie porn and bots exist on Twitter, or denying that he's doing anything about removing them?

You know, there *is* such a thing as the internet. Why do other people have to do your research?
I would just steer clear of Google, Bing, and Yahoo. They're part of the problem.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
*provably
1mooneymite
1mooneymite 9
Twitter, under former ownership, banned based on ideological criteria. There is a world of difference in banning @ElonJet due to very real security concerns...no ideology involved.

Anyone with a modicum of sense understands the qualitative difference.
markmongold
Mark Mongold 0
This is not correct. Twitter banded based on misleading or non-factual criteria. Its bans were never based on ideology. It is true however that certain ideologies seem to post more false information than others, but that fact has nothing to do with banning based on ideological criteria.
MichaelDealey
Michael Dealey 5
Have you heard the news about all the democrat, liberal and left wing accounts being let back onto Twitter?

No? Oh, that's right. Because they were never suspended.
That honor only fell to one side of the spectrum.

Or haven't you been keeping up with the Twitter Files release?
Your statement is provably false.
NF2G
David Stark 6
Now go read some actual facts. You are spouting the far-left/DNC talking points, which are not based upon a shred of reality. For example, the identification of "misleading information" and "disinformation" was based SOLELY on ideology. Ban Trump, but not the Ayatollah. Shadowban conservates, but not liberals.
JMARTINSON
JMARTINSON 0
Your for example is not an example, but it is hilarious.
srobak
srobak -1
I've got 2 miles of onceanfront runway I can sell you for a song...
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 3
Yes. And since this is the case, using the phrase "turnabout is fair play" is not germaine...but I'm using it anyway for folks unable to see the irony in complaining about a private company's limits on their speech.
jkeifer3
Joe Keifer 0
And so the worm turns. Thank you Elon Musk!
kelsonus
Steve Nickerson 9
"Twitter has suspended the @ElonJet airplane tracking account, refuting claims that all moderation on the platform is gone."
There I fixed the headline to be less goading
PDLanum
Philip Lanum 1
You mean moderation gone bad.

Childish thing to do.
zebora
Sebastian Phoenix 6
I want to read about aviation stuff on here. If I want idiotic flag waving political opinions there are plenty of options elsewhere
srobak
srobak 1
EM is not a politician. The posted material was from what put Flightaware on the map: ADS-B.

Aviation.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 5
Politics permeates our homes let alone high profile aviation.

Don't read the political stuff. It isn't required.

Aircraft ARE neat though aren't they? ;)
bentwing60
bentwing60 7
"Leaving California is always a good idea, especially San Fran 3rd world s -hole"

direct quote, here, "Sebastian Phoenix". Yep, completely apolitical statement there!

Musk "owns" Twotter and his own skyships, thus, security might be 'a priori' to his security team and their view of current political inanity. I could have added the s, but the terms are synonyomous. Aviation "stuff" that, SP.
srobak
srobak 1
Well - now that's inconvenient.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 3
sgbelverta
sharon bias 3
Twitter is now Elon Musk's toy to play with, so he can do what he wants....including bankrupting a company he paid 44 billion dollars for. The tracking of planes is fine with me.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 3
Engagement is way up, advertisers aren't stupid and the ones who left are coming back and the "I'm moving if so-and-so happens" self-indulgent celeb crowd are largely still there so at least for awhile the buttercups will have to suck it up.
jkeifer3
Joe Keifer 2
greerbk
Greer Kemp 13
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to stalk, and I would see this as a security risk to anyone in the world - not just the high-profile types like Musk. Would this be OK if it was giving live personal locations of people like major political figures etc? No.. and it doesn't matter ones political persuasion - personal security for all is a very different matter than freedom of speech.
srobak
srobak 4
so every time you fire up flightaware and follow a plane - or have a list of favorites - you are stalking?

Re-posting federally required and publicly available ADS-B info in no way equates to "stalking".

Additionally - he had over 30 accounts that were tracking various celebrity/business/political aircraft. All of them got whacked.
admiral506
wayne holder 2
If your following a person and not the plane then YES!!!! Doesn't matter whether the technology is federally mandated ADS-B or an Apple Airtag or Garmin GPS or an IP address. Why do think our government flies all three Airforce 1 at the same time....so no one knows which plane the POTUS is on, because its a security risk
srobak
srobak 2
he WAS following the plane - regardless who is on it. We've been over this. Banning the account does not change that information being freely and easily available. We've been over this too. Three AF1's? okaaay... (DD plane doesn't count).
DRU842
andrew alchin 14
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can still track the plane via this platform & others? If so, what does this 'banning' achieve?
SpikeWhite
SpikeWhite 12
FlightAware honors requests of aircraft owners to not track their aircraft. ElonJet on Twitter does not.
teufelwolf
teufel wolf -3
It puts the fear of litigation into platforms.
FA itself might be able to just ignore Elon, but there are all of these services behind FA may decide that they do not want to deal with angry and litigious Muskrat or his Army of Incel Followers.
Most web providers and payment processors have AUP that allow them to ban any site that might expose them to undue legal risk or cause harm to their brand
The root data is public info, and would clearly be beyond Musk's reach, but any site that makes the data easier to access could be pressured.
srobak
srobak 4
Then EM's issue lies with the FAA - not with FA or any of the services behind it.
srobak
srobak 2
now now - this is no time to be confusing the issue with facts.
OCTarmac
Debra von Trapp 2
Free stalking accounts deserve suspension!
srobak
srobak 3
so every time you fire up flightaware and follow a plane - or have a list of favorites - you are stalking?

Re-posting federally required and publicly available ADS-B info in no way equates to "stalking".
Upperchucked
C. W. GRADY -3
I think Twitter has lost it's necessity, if indeed it was ever necessary. Let Musk and his crazies have the platform all to themselves, and unless you are in that group, perhaps you should get out.
srobak
srobak 2
orrr.... you can skip the mob mentality and think & decide for yourself as to what technologies and platforms you utilize as they bey suit your needs - just the same as you decide upon which airlines to fly.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 3
Oh, the comsymps booted me repeatedly for among other things posting covid truths not permitted by the state apparatus.

For better or worse, Twitter as initially advertised was supposed to be the true town square.

Since the left can only dominate by disallowing views that expose their otherwise weak ideology, a return to that initial effort is wildly necessary and fantastic.

Note one can still post neomarxist drivel, vaxx, school closure and mask mandates and remain on the platform.
ghstark
Greg S 1
Musk seems to be making things up as he goes along, after first loudly proclaiming that only speech that would be unprotected by the US 1st amendment if sanctioned by the government should be banned. He needs to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more general principle that people can understand. At least he seems to ended the partisan censorship that existed under the previous Twitter regime. He just needs to make sure he doesn't replace it with censorship of "speech that Elon doesn't like".
srobak
srobak 1
You do understand the basic concept that "free speech" is not the same as "say whatever the frak you want", right?
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -1
As long as we agree with the comsymps who ran the joint previously that the owners of a private company can do want they bloody well want, we're good.

If you want true free speech, go to Gab. I guarantee you'll find stuff you don't like but it's all legal.
Great place though to take on your opposites.

Robust doesn't BEGIN to cover it.
pgmarti
Peter Martin -1
He ran a poll asking if the accounts (mostly journalists) should be reinstated and the results were yes. His answer, another poll. Safety is first, but he has become a complete hypocrite since making the poor decision to buy Twitter. Freedom of speech, but only when he likes it
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
His decision to buy Twitter was epic and a game changer in the political discourse.

How do we know?

Apart from the ramped up engagement, the delicious caterwauling of the left objecting loudly to the heretofore unallowed criticism of their untenable ideology is all anyone with sense needs to hear.

And Musk can do what he wants regarding Elonjet...for those insisting we talk about aviation here. ;)
EMK69
EMK69 23
Seems to me it was a reasonable request given the nut cases this world now faces with technology. Not so many years ago Calif had to stop allowing anyone to get a home address via our Driver Lic when a young actress was killed in her home by a stalker who had requested a home address. Technology is a great thing but it can be used to conduct criminal activity, in this case, Mr. Musk's safety.

We have seen radicals on both sides of today's society and it would not surprise me one bit if people were not out to harm Mr. Musk. I'm sure the national press is lining up to post this individual as some kind of hero and Mr. Musk as the villain. Sick society we live in and all our lives are in jeopardy since it appears the criminals are hailed as heroes.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 6
It WOULD surprise you if someone wasn't out to harm Musk but I would challenge the notion that both "sides" harbor radicals to anywhere near the same extent.

I'd like to see the doxxing efforts targeting liberals.

Something along the lines of conservative SCOTUS members.
LeftlySC
Stephen Leftly -1
Just the other week the Speaker of House husband was attacked in their home.
My Congressman, a Dem, was at the receiving end of death threats from the QAnon crowd.
MichaelDealey
Michael Dealey 3
What utter BS.

Do you really think a dude walked across town in his underwear and *broke into* that apartment with security cameras and armed guards on site?

That dude was *invited* over.
They were both in their underwear when the police arrived.
It was a play date gone wrong.

David DePape is as left as they come. He's a member of a Berkeley nudist group and a Green Party activist, living in a hippie commune with a rainbow flag flying out front and a BLM sign in the window. He also made hemp jewelry.

And don't even try to bring up his supposed "right-wing" blog, created a mere month earlier, registered to an address in Richmond, Alabama that had zero views, zero comments, and was locked behind a paywall that no one ever got passed.

Why can't we see the security and police cam footage?
Why can't the jury even see it?
Would that ruin the narrative you're eating up like a Biden ice cream cone?

By the way, the media thinks anyone who even a centimeter right-of-center is part of the 'QAnon' crowd.

Appropriate last name you have there.
blackstock
Michael Blackstock 13
Yet Mr. Musk has reinstated accounts that inspire the very nut cases you mention. One account tracks aircraft and gives updated locations. That is. No suggestions, no leanings, just information. Others that Musk has reinstated, use tone, words, lies and inflammatory words that clearly have an effect on the mentally unstable and put many people in danger.

The sickness society suffers and intellectual laziness.
MichaelDealey
Michael Dealey 1
The "nut cases" you mention seem to be of a particular leaning, in almost all cases. There is a certain spectrum of folks who consider anything factual or not in alignment with their own beliefs to be violent, inflammatory, and hateful.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
Facts in evidence for that claim?
ghstark
Greg S 11
"That clearly have an effect ..."

Ah, one of the "words are violence crowd" that wants to suppress speech based on what someone might do.
LeftlySC
Stephen Leftly 0
Sadly I think we are well past the point in doubting the link between people expressing the wish to do harm to others on-line in the press etc. and then they, and or others, carrying out actual acts of violence.

History is just loaded with endless examples - some old, but many new.

The First Amendment, like all the Bill of Rights, has limitations and is not an unlimited right to stir up hate. Where to draw the line is tricky, but that does not mean the line cannot be drawn.

The funny thing is there is a whole sub-industry devoted to tracking key executives due to merger and acquisition activities so banning one Twitter account does very little.

But we are here to talk about planes.
MichaelDealey
Michael Dealey 2
This is true, but we also now live in a society where anything someone simply disagrees with is considered "hate".
LeftlySC
Stephen Leftly 1
Sadly I think we are well past the point in doubting the link between people expressing the wish to do harm to others on line and then carrying out actual acts of violence.

The first amendment, like all the Bill of Rights has limitations and is not an unlimited right to stir up hate.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
100 percent.
godutch
godutch 0
LOL... KARMA sucks doesn't it? Good for you Elon! Hell, it's not only "a private business", it's no longer publically traded. True security risk. Justified.
godutch
godutch 1
LOL... KARMA sucks doesn't it? Good for you Elon! Hell, it's not only "a private business", it's no longer publically traded.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -3
A couple of inculcated marxist faculty lounge aficionados got loose in your upvote/downvote feature.

I wonder if they LOVE airplanes like we do.
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 7
He's been after that kid since he started posting.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Who is after who?
iflyfsx
iflyfsx -2
After saying he wouldn't. What a hypocrite.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -1
Tough noogies.

It's what your commie pals who ran it before said as well.

Try to keep up.
ravanviman
hal pushpak 2
Unstable Genius
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -1
He has Asperger's.

You are ableist.
n555cf
rbt schaffer -5
ASSpergers... The more serious condition
zorba1869
zorba1869 3
Self praise is no recommendation
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Unless obviously true...as irritating as it sometimes is, we must acknowledge the reason we find it irritating.
godutch
godutch 21
He said he wouldn't what? Not delete an account possibly putting his life in jeopardy? You know how many kidnappings there are globally? Stray GTA missiles out there? Justified. Remember? "Private business, he can do what he wants" Karma.
srobak
srobak 1
so every time you fire up flightaware and follow a plane - or have a list of favorites - you are stalking?

Re-posting federally required and publicly available ADS-B info in no way equates to "stalking".

Considering that data is also delayed up to several minutes on the publicly accessible ADS-B sites - no lives are in jeopardy by re-posting that data, which also incurs an additional delay.

Think. Then post.
kd7eir
Jim Myers -5
He SPECIFICALLY said that he would not delete THAT ACCOUNT. That makes him A LIAR.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 2
Boohoo snowflake.

Take your medicine and stop whining. Almost every other sm censors conservatives. I think your warped ideology is safe....for now.
greerbk
Greer Kemp 4
I think if he then re-evaluated the threat to his and his families safety - as anyone would - it is reasonable for him to say "Enough is enough."

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