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A US Airways jet crashed when a tire blew out during takeoff at Philadelphia International Airport on Thursday evening, but no injuries were initially reported, a company official said. "Plane just crashed. But we are ok," one apparent passenger, Dennis Fee, posted on Facebook, followed by a photo of passengers fleeing a US Airways jet that appeared intact but whose nose was in contact with the ground. Flight 1702 was taking off en route to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., when a tire blew… (abcnews.go.com) 更多...

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Dubslow
Bill Winslow 21
Good lord... the number of people carrying their bags is horrifying.

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bhargavshukla
Bhargav Shukla 14
Wow! Seriously? You want smoke/fire to call it real emergency? Where is common sense in this? Having lost nose wheel just as you are lifting off, isn't a real emergency? I consider them lucky that pilot aborted successfully and came to a safe stop. You don't need to worry about your bags at this point, just get the hell out of the plane. Bags can be replaced, lives can't.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
U didn't see all that smoke???
AvGirl503
AvGirl503 2
You clearly have no idea that every evacuation process is the same. EVERY evacuation is an emergency. You are directed to "LEAVE EVERYTHING AND GET OUT!" I think these flight attendants did a great job.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
In the engine... If a fuel valve did not close, it could have been a big explosion... Where there is smoke there is fire... Seems like you are the stupid one.
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 6
Detailed eyewitness account posted on flyertalk.com by PHLWOOKIE:

"Sitting in the A-West lounge, just watched what I think was a US A319 bounce twice on takeoff from 27L, then have front gear collapse at high speed. Can't see where it stopped but smoke from the west end of 27L. Will update as I see more.

Update 6:28pm, listening to tower in LiveATC.net ... aircraft evacuating, emergency vehicles en route, people walking around near aircraft.

Update 6:30pm - emergency vehicles told to take care due to # of people walking around, probably thinking of the Asiana SFO incident where someone was run over. All PHL departures and arrivals halted airport at "alert 2" status per tower.

Update 6:40pm - no more smoke from the area of where the aircraft likely stopped. I'm still shaking and I was only watching from afar. Will type up my recollection shortly. No pics and can't see where it wound up from the west end of the A-West lounge. Hope everyone's getting out OK, would have been some pretty strong G-forces from what I saw.

Update 6:50pm - tower reports A320 aircraft involved.

Here's what I saw ... at approx 6:26 pm or so, I was in the US Airways Club in Terminal A-West over gate A15, able to see roughly the eastern half of runway 27L. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a plane get 30-50 ft in the air, then come down and bounce on the runway, then be airborne for another 2-3 seconds, then land with more weight towards the front landing gear. Front gear collapsed, sparks on the runway, it then skid out of my line of sight. Light white smoke visible for about 7-10 min afterwards. Winds are still pretty strong here, but I doubt that was the primary cause. Weather otherwise clear and sunny here.

Update 6:53pm - airport on alert 1 status, should reopen runways 27R and 35.

Update 6:56pm - steady number of ambulances still passing the terminals west towards the accident site. No idea on injuries.

Update 7:05pm - thanks to one of my coworkers via Twitter, this is report is encouraging: https://www.facebook.com/DennisFee/p...?stream_ref=10 I still do not know which flight # it was.

Update 7:12pm - first takeoffs from runway 27R as we approach sunset. I will not speculate here as to the cause of the accident, I just don't have enough information.

Update 7:18pm - to the media asking, unfortunately I don't have pictures or video. While the smoke was briefly visible over the west end of Terminal A-West, my long distance attempts at iPhone pics of it did not turn out as it was white smoke on a bright background.

Update 7:28pm - two ambulances with lights on just went east about a minute apart past Terminal A-West away from the accident scene. At least 4-5 buses heading towards the accident site presumably to collect passengers.

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
If that thing was blazing at Vr, I'd plant it right back on!!!

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preacher1
preacher1 3
Do you not know how to click on a person's name here and see their rating before making such a rash comment about them not being a pilot. As I said in another comment down here, sometimes the book has to go out the window and you go with your gut. FLY THE PLANE. I'm from the old school with over 20,000 hours and I'll just tell you that things aren't always black & white, and though you may have your ATP as well, I don't think I'd want you for my pilot if you are locked into the book 100%
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 3
That would be "I'm and you're."
That aside, so you would take an airplane at Vr, in the air that you know will never make it back around, instead of making a split second decision and probably just going off the end of the runway with broken bones???

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
OK Phil, next time you get a loss of control or a rapid fire at Vr, take it in the air, especially when you're somewhere like IAD with thousands of feet of runway remaining!!!

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I know what the training is, I'm just commenting on your response to the other poster when you said that you never abort at Vr. I'm saying there are times when you have to make a split second decision and throw the book out of the window. There will be a time when taking the airplane in the air at Vr will be deadly. There are times when procedures will kill you, as in Swissair 101...

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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
There is a big difference between rotating with a blown nose tire and a missing engine or wing. A Nose wheel after V1 or VR is not a reason to reject take off. This was clearly a pilot error.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
There was also the initial eyewitness report of seeing the plane go up twice with a bounce in between before landing hard onto and smashing the front gear, before sliding all threat down and past the end of the runway.

Either a really good pilot for rejecting takeoff for a good reason and saving all tables aboard, or a really bad pilot that did a really bad job of rolling, rotaing and taking off. And then smashing the plane into the ground after a bad takeoff.

It would be good to know if there was a valid reason for rejecting the takeoff. Or was the plane improperly configured for takeoff?
KarryEllis
Karry Ellis 1
The reported porpoising motion concerns me. It seems possible the pilot was unable to control some erratic movements of the airplane and may not have been trying to get it back on the deck, or off the deck. Could the high winds have played havoc at Vr? Seems possible. It will be interesting to see if the tire blew on takeoff roll, or did it simply blow when the plane was forced back to the runway, either by the pilot or by the more logical explanation of a wind shear type event at Vr.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
what about improper flap setting due to the gusty wind and rotation speed?...The pilot was ready to go but the plane wasn't.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
The official reason so far is a blown nose tire.. Anything else, he will have to back up with the FDR...
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Blown tire, but when.

I'm sure there was a blown tire when the front gear was smashed into the ground. But was there a blown tire prior to the 2 hops, the bounce and the smash.

I heard that there was a question of where the NTSB would investigate or the FAA?? What? Why?

That news report came immediately after the news covered a press conference withan NTSB Member at the scene of a gas leak explosion in NYC. It was Robert Sumwalt from the recent air crash investigations in San Fran and Birmingham. He a pilot heading a gas leak explosion, and they weren't sure the NTSB would investigate a blown takeoff that resulted in a collapsed gear, runway excursion and emergency evacuation.

Luckily there were no major injuries. But that seems more luck than anything else.

It'd be good to know that there would be a good look at the specifics of the incident.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
You are probably correct... The Captain better have a good story and it better match the FDR...
tjoneillMO
Tim ONeill 1
Thought I heard a report that the front tire blew and pieces were ingested in an engine. A dragging bearing could cause the tire to overheat and fail during the takeoff roll. If that happened at rotation, it could explain the abort and hard smash to the nose gear and although the airplane is certified to be able to take off on one engine at that point, why chance a go around if you can park it? FDR should be helpful in sorting events here.
kswjdavis
William Davis 0
You really don't know what your're talking about here, try not to sound so condescending.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I have probably dealt with more blown tires from landings, departures than you have ever seen. I worked helped changing the tires on a 737 because the pilot landed with the parking break off. I know what the manual says. If an aircraft was already airborne had a blown tire, how does any pilot think he could safely get it back on the ground and get stopped before the end of the runway... The correct thing to do would have been to declare an emergency, make a go around and he would have been priority getting back on the ground. I would venture to say that you are not the one who knows what they are talking about... Show me in any QRH where he should have aborted any landing or trying to land the plane on the same runway he is taking off from... Common sense says go around....
preacher1
preacher1 1
Might I ask where there is condescending talk here, and how do 2 ATP's and a senior in Maint. Control not know what they are talking about. Seems to me we would know just about the same as you. The one thing we do all know is that a blown tire normally won't take a gear down.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Some important part of the story that was determinant in this incident has not yet been revealed.

Whether it was wind shear or an improperly configured airplane, or whatever it was that was the ultimate cause of this crash, if known has not been shared. But the incident should be investigated and the cause determined.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I guarantee it will be investigated. I am sure the FDR and CVR have both been pulled and isolated either being downloaded and read or in isolation awaiting it to be done.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
That's what I'm thinking, something else may have happened which would match the eyewitness saying the airplane was airborne...
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Swissair 101? Do you have more details?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Air_111

"In-flight fire leading to electrical failure, spatial disorientation and crew distraction"

Aircraft certification standards for material flammability were inadequate in that they allowed the use of materials that could be ignited and sustain or propagate fire. Consequently, flammable material propagated a fire that started above the ceiling on the right side of the cockpit near the cockpit rear wall. The fire spread and intensified rapidly to the extent that it degraded aircraft systems and the cockpit environment, and ultimately led to the loss of control of the aircraft

Investigators identified evidence of arcing in wiring of the in-flight entertainment system network, but this did not trip the circuit breakers.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Getting 30-50' in the air, I can't call this an aborted takeoff. He was already off so nothing to abort. He should have went on up, got situated and came back in on 2, or went on to destination and done same. Most airlines would have cleaned up and redid PHL.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
The comment just above said pieces of the tire were ingested into the engine, maybe they feared they would lose the engines and made a split second decision to plant it back on rather than a miracle on the Delaware...
preacher1
preacher1 1
Yeah, FDR will tell the tale

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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
That pretty much is what I have been saying... They were way too late to abort if they still have engine power in both engines.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 4
Look at the rear slide. It barely reaches the ground and is at a really steep angle. Thank the flight attendants for getting everybody off safely.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
According to last nights news, there were a group of Belgian firefighters onboard that took charge of the evacuation...
clandel
I too am amazed at the number of people with bags coming down the slide. You've got to wonder how many people grabbed stuff from the overheads! Yikes.
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 4
ARCHIVED AUDIO RECORDING from KPHL Tower

Begin listening at 23:30 as Cactus 1702 receives take off clearance (acknowledged by female pilot)

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kphl/PHL-Twr-Mar-13-2014-2200Z.mp3
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 9
You have to admire US Air. When they crash a plane no one is seriously hurt and it does not take a week to find the aircraft!
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 7
that's right....they are so darn good they can crash a plane while remaining on the ground...now that's professionalism....lol
colaco1
jose colaco 2
I can just imagine the emotional trauma all on board went through BUT I am happy that every one was safe. We have to be grateful for that. It brings up the question of maintenance. I hope Airbus and USAir (and NTSB) will review the maintenance routines of these planes, and the pilots satisfy themselves that every plane is verified as being airworthy before every flight. It might delay flights and it might add to the cost of flying but go ahead and charge every pax and extra $10 per journey but do that.
stevooz
steve rogers 2
I don't think you are suppose to deploy the rear ramp when the plane is nose down , you would be in for a real shock when your heading down to find 6 feet missing ,
Boeing747100
Looks to me like it will get repaired, no really serious damage. I've always loved US Airways, I wished they kept the old US Air livery. The bare metal looked so good.
MANBOI
MANBOI 2
The first thing I noticed on the news this morning was the idiot girl making a video/selfie of herself evacuating and adding more drama to the situation. A nose gear collapse, smoke from an engine and evacuation from slides and wings isn't dramatic enough? Then I noticed all the people lugging their bags down the slide, blocking the exit for the poor souls behind them. Put your phone away and leave your bags, this is how a lot of people die as result of an otherwise survivable incident.
Hollywoode135
Just a little shy of the Hudson award goes to....
pauwes
paul westcott 1
That was totally uncalled for.Shame on you.
nasdisco
Chris B 1
Hoping we get a clear and accurate sequence of events out promptly. Seen several variations on event sequence. Presumably we'll see airport generation video soon.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
A passenger said they were airborne and then came down on the nose. I don't always give credit to passenger comments but that may have then blown the tire. Blown tires don't collapse landing gear. We need more accurate reporting here. Southwest had a nose gear collapse just several months ago and you have to put that plane down hard to fail a landing gear. I understand the wind was really tricky that day.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Front gear collapsed. Love photo of disembarked passenger of others sliding out emergency exits:

http://t.co/iD5BkaNHKz
smoki
smoki 1
The speculative nature of many of these posts as to what is thought to have occurred with the flight is entertaining but that's about the extent of their worth. I'll thus add my two cents: The pilot rotated and just at or shortly after rotation as the airplane broke ground heard the dreaded "bang." Presumably he (assumed gender) made a quick decision, assumed the worst and elected to put the airplane back on the ground which would have required a nose first touchdown inducing a porpoise and subsequent nose gear collapse. Given the ground speed at that point coupled with the remaining runway available, the airplane went off the end into the overrun and clearway finally coming to a stop. The smoke seen in the video may well have been coming from smoking main gear tires as a result of the intense braking action applied while on the runway in an attempt to try and stop the airplane before going off the runway.

There are situations in which the available runway is such that the airplane can be stopped on the runway remaining after V1 and possibly even after VR though that is typically not taught/trained as the proper procedure to follow. Continuing the takeoff after V1 (decision speed) is the normal procedure to be used. One would have to do a detailed assessment of the runway to be used for takeoff to know whether or not the airplane could be successfully stopped after V1 up and including VR. That would depend on the length of the runway, the power used for takeoff, the weight, and the prevailing atmospheric conditions to include surface winds and the density altitude. Putting an airplane back on the ground after VR is definitely not recommended unless there appears to be no other choice as was the case for the "Miracle on the Hudson."
preacher1
preacher1 1
You are correct in saying what you did about going on at V1 and/or Vr, as that is what the book would teach. You and me both know that the book deals in black and white. There are a couple of ATP's below that say they would slam it back down at Vr if any space available at all. I think this is one place where the PF has to make the decision at that time. You have a chance of getting down in one piece if you don't go. If you go around, you are assured of coming in on 2 or at best, collapsing a 3rd. That said, PHL has about 10 grand, give or take, and that Airbus ought to rotate at about half of that. That would have given him roughly half the runway to get or stay down and stop. I think good call. Seems like there was some wind and other things that may have contributed to this. FDR and CVR will tell the tale.
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 1
Flight number 1702 Philadelphia to Ft Lauderdale

Nose gear collapsed after the pilot aborted take-off and over ran the runway.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
JOURNALISM FAILURE:

Runway overrun was a result if sn aborted takeoff NOT A LANDING.

US Flight 1702 departing Philly to head to Ft Lauderdale, NOT a flight arriving from FLL.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
JOURNALISM FAILURE (continued):

FBT article still shows 'whiling landing at Philadelphia' in first paragraph, depite change in second paragraph was fixed to reflect that flight was heading to Ft Lauderdale.
matt12gauge
matthew haney 1
Correction to post... Aborted takeoff at KPHL.
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 1
A short video clip showing the emergency evacuation of the a/c

Via @EliLanger

https://vine.co/v/MbXZrzIP5r7
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
In the 2nd video... What a stupid blonde!

As far as the problem.. Did something break or did the crew raise the gear too early.. LOL

Way to go Airbus.. Always count on them to distract us.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
the plane thought it was a long jumper Sparkie
dm831
Dave McCoy 1
Maybe I am too sensitive but why does it seem Airbus is not mentioned much in the headlines for the nose wheel incident but Boeing is all over the news
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
They were, in 2005...
clipperjetl1011
Wally Colbert 0
Someone upstairs was watching over all of them... Great Job By The Crew Keeping The Plane On the Ground, it could have been much worse trying to land with no nose gear!!
preacher1
preacher1 1
It could have been but that would be the normal procedure if the plane were already airborne. Chances are the slamdown is what collapsed the gear.
preacher1
preacher1 1
FDR will tell it all if there was FOD digestion on engines.
kwu20001
kev wu -1
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An epic selfie after US Airways jet crashes in Philadelphia

A US Airways jet crashed when a tire blew out during takeoff at Philadelphia International Airport on Thursday evening, but no injuries were initially reported, a company official said.
"Plane just crashed. But we are ok," one apparent passenger, Dennis Fee, posted on Facebook, followed by a photo of passengers fleeing a US Airways jet that appeared intact but whose nose was in contact with the ground.
Flight 1702 was taking off en route to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., when a tire blew out, US Airways spokeswoman Valerie Hooks told the Los Angeles Times.
Further details about the accident were not immediately available. Airport officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The jet was carrying 149 passengers and five crew members, Hooks said.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-philadelphia-jet-crash-20140313,0,4643854.story
megavoyager
megavoyager -2
shame she was no looker. i thought it was a dude.
matt12gauge
matthew haney 0
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UPDATE: Aborted U.S Airways

Additional video of aborted flight 1702 at KPHL that was bound bound for KFLL.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/fort-lauderdale-bound-plane-blows-tire-taking-off-from-philadelphia-airport/
ssjan
Jan F 0
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US Airways A320 takeoff incident in Philadelphia

A US Airways aircraft had an issue while taking off on Thursday causing it to overrun the runway and evacuate all passengers.

http://pa.jansaviation.com/news.php?art=takeoff-incident-at-philadelphia
matt12gauge
matthew haney 0
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U.S Airways Airbus Aborts takeoff in Philadelphia

Here is a video of passengers evacuating Airbus after aborted KPHL.

http://instagram.com/p/lgEPhvuD0a/
TXCAVU
What I do not see at the evac slide or on the wing exits...is an FA assisting/directing the passengers.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
I noticed this also. What do you do when you are outside on the wing 15 feet from the ground. The over wing exits are primarily for a ditching or a fire in the cabin. Otherwise the slides should be used. However, passengers in the exit rows can open and get out and you can't stop them
JerrySteinberg
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US Airways Plane Crashes in Philly

US Airways Airbus A320 overran the runway while landing at Philadelphia International Airport within the past hour.

A witness to the crash,...

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/us-airways-plane-crashes-in-philly/
Iflyboxes
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US Airways Nosewheel collapse at PHL

A US Airways flight has suffered a Nosewheel collapse at PHL, resulting in an aborted takeoff and an emergency evacuation of the aircraft.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-runaway-philadelphia-international-airport-report-article-1.1721004
ReneGS
Rene Salazar 0
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Nose gear collapses when US Airways plane aborts takeoff at Philadelphia

A US Airways plane blew a tire as it was taking off from Philadelphia International Airport on Thursday evening and the nose gear collapsed as the plane landed, the airline said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nose-gear-collapses-when-us-airways-plane-aborts-takeoff-at-philadelphia/
gfd28
gfd28 0
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Plane's landing gear collapses at Phila. Airport; passengers evacuated

Plane's landing gear collapses at Phila. Airport; passengers evacuated

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9465339

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