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A San Francisco firefighter accused of accidentally running over a passenger thrown from the wreckage of an Asiana Airlines flight that crashed at San Francisco International Airport filed a lawsuit Friday against the San Francisco Fire Department. (news.yahoo.com) 更多...

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Musketeer1
Musketeer1 4
How quickly has the World forgotten that all of these deaths are the result of the flight crew's inability to fly a visual approach on the most beautiful of days?
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Don't know that anyone has. That just isn't what the article's about.
Musketeer1
Musketeer1 3
You have a point. I just think at the very minimum every article referencing this accident should finish with "Of course, we wouldn't be talking about any of this if the two Asiana captains and one first officer could combine their skills to fly a visual approach". Maybe I can file a lawsuit to require that.
preacher1
preacher1 1
LOL, as you are very correct. No crash, no deaths, no lawsuit. My work here is done.
tbpera
Tom Pera 4
why doesn't she sue the damn media, too? everyone jumped in on this...she was doing her job..her life at risk... condemned before the facts were in I hate lawyers....until you need one...
canuck44
canuck44 2
A Poster Girl for "loser pays".
preacher1
preacher1 5
Well, she stole my word "scapegoat". Could it be the higher-ups are trying to hang her to save their own butts? Nah!
linbb
linbb 6
The sad part is she will never live it down and always be branded by that action right or wrong. I think from what was shown on video there was a failure of command. The one thing that is unable to be shown, the dynamics of the situation live. Having been working at accident scenes I know first hand how it is. I feel for her as now her name forever is in print.
canuck44
canuck44 -1
Naw....she will want to double or triple dip into the taxpayer trough. Pension plus disability (for hurt feelings) and anything she and her ambulance chasing lawyers can extract from an insurance policy (although SF is probably self-insured).
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
SF Fire has had a rough history expanding diversity within the ranks.

http://www.sfweekly.com/2011-02-16/news/san-francisco-fire-department-racism-exam-kevin-taylor/2/

Seems many in SF think in terms of racial, ethnic or status group membership, instead of individual merit and responsibility. Both in promotional decisions as well as a defense against findings of incompetence or fraudulent activity.

The firefighter pursuing this suite in neither unique in using her group membership as an excuse, nor the first to sue the department using such group think as a weapon to assault the very department that age them a chance.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Even though she seems to be the scapegoat, I sense the real reason is that she sees the big payout...
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I think a bigger part is that, since the preliminary coroner's report, her career is essentially gone. Regardless of the job, she will be "the one that...." at every promotional board or transfer request. Also the SFFD management team is in hammer mode, and she is the closest thing to a nail that the have handly. Her suit makes sense as refusing to go gentle into that good night. Filing a complaint, much less a lawsuit, is a last ditch act in civil service in this State.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Why would you even think that, much less say it. She's likely been through a living hell.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I'm sure she's been through hell. Just my opinion though, after seeing how money hungry/lawsuit-happy a lot of people are...
preacher1
preacher1 1
As stated above, we wouldn't even be having this conversation if them JoBobs had flown the plane right.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Not sure to which incident you refer by branded. It seems to me both the Asiana's bad tear day and filing suit both qualify. For either one, her career is effectively over. Preacher is right, scapegoat succinctly covers it.
CaptainFreedom
It's so pathetic that she has to resort to this. Firefighters should be trained solely in how to respond most effectively to an emergency, without having to worry about whether they will be hanged publicly because of something that happened while they were endangering their own lives trying to save others. I suggest that the SFFD step up to the plate and resolve this.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Sounds like it to me...
btweston
btweston -6
Well, she did run over the kid.
WithnailANDi
WithnailANDi 1
My biggest question right now is: Did another vehicle run the kid over before hers did? If she was following another rescue vehicle closely on the way to the scene, there's no way she could have avoided hitting anything the lead vehicle ran over first...
BluegrassFlyer
Randy Michel 1
Scapegoat seems right in this situation. When the crash happened the chief was in the limelight and I looked her up. It seems as though she had some distractions outside of the job that may have kept her from doing her job right. The chief got her job due to politics too and that is no doubt what is happening here. They're responsible for what their people do and higher-ups may be looking to play a game of CYA. This firefighter may as well go on the offensive because her career is effectively over and has nothing else to lose.
stevooz
steve rogers 0
the crash is one issue , the rescue is an other , lets not loose sight of that .
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
with respect, must disagree. I do not think you can isolate the fate of Ms. Ye Meng Yuan from the actions of the flight crew. Considering that her seatmates had similar injuries, aside from head trauma, from which they did not recover, there is the a probablity that her similar injuries would have led to her demise.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It is not likely a coincidence that all 3 fatalities were sitting together in a cluster on port side of the last 2 rows of Asiana 214, in the area where the tail section separated from fuselage, upon violent impact with the seawall maybe a 1/4 mile short of the threshold.

There is strong possibility that the injuries sustained in the initial impact and destruction might not have been survivable, no matter what the rescuers did or didn't do, AA they fought the fire. Having one's head or ribcage run over by a fire truck's wheel makes the outcome immediately much more certain, but didn't necessarily change the girl's eventual outcome.

The reason the girl looked dead when the firefighters approached was because she was either dead or almost dead from her injuries already.

The firefighters didn't risk their own lives to cause death but to protect as many lives and property as possible. Any regrettable death that occurs during the course of the rescue and fire fight is incidental and primarily arising from the initial botched landing.

It is impressive that more people didn't lose their lives in this violent crash. Such a low death toll is a testament to the structural integrity of the airliner, the training and quick actions of the cabin crew, the emergency response of the airport and city first responders, and the quality of healthcare available to the victims of the crash.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I see your point, but that's rather like a surgeon botching a critical surgery, losing the patient and saying, oh well, she was going to die anyway. If there's a fatal mistake made, someone's responsible.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Sorry, your analogy is not remotely similar. Using your botching surgeon scenario, replace the single patient in the OR with many patients presenting at once in a mass casualty situation and incorrectly triaging an 'immediate' case as 'expectant' in the DIME triage (Delayed, Immediate, Minimal and Expectant to die) before going on to the next 17 casualties.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Except the lawsuit is about one victim.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Sorry if I seem obtuse, but to which lawsuit and which victim do you refer? The OP is about the firefighter's suit to, IMHO, provide a bit of protection from scapgoating. I inferred from your 'botching a critical surgery' you were referring to demised young woman.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Will reply in a day or so. Catching a flight to Phoenix in the morning and will be occupied.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I agree with Joel; if them folks could have mustered all that experience that was on the flight deck and landed they plane as they should have been able to, we would not be having this conversation nor would the lawsuit have been filed. It is ascenine that 2 senior captains and a qualified FO could not make a simple VFR landing on a CAVU day.

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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 3
Are you kidding?!!! Being a firefighter had probably been her lifelong dream. And now, unless she changes her name, relocates, lies on her resume and trains for an entirely new career her life is ruined.
canuck44
canuck44 2
Well, she is living the dream...and has been for 24 years...she only has to hang on for 10 minutes more before she is pension eligible and at age 49-50 can go back to "work" for another department at full salary.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Maybe I suffer from a case of too much empathy, but I believe she's going to live under a dark cloud as a pariah. She's going to have a difficult future and I'm guessing her days of being a professional firefighter are history. It would take a lot of guts to go forward as though nothing has happened. I truly hope I'm all wrong and that she's receiving support from her colleagues.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I doubt it's her colleagues she has to worry about. She probably won't get terminated or anything like that but I would imagine any further advancement is out of the question. That said, who knows what this lawsuit will bring. Bad deal, either way when the CYA card is played.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Seems to me the story said that she had some tenure with the department. This deal probably killed any chance at advancement and she just wants to secure her future. My not all be right but probably the truth.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
She'll wear the "scarlet letter" forever. So so sad - the whole thing.

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