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(HD Video) UTair Aviation 767-300 Go Around at Barcelona Airport

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An UTair Boeing 767-300 (VQ-BSX) incoming from Moscow as UT5187 and Aerolíneas Argentinas Airbus A340-300 (LV-FPV) were involved into what could be the bigger disaster of Barcelona Airport. The Utair 767 was about to land on Runway 02 while the Argentinas was crossing the runway. By the time Russian pilots sights Argentinas (they were taxiing to Holding point of RW25R for take-off) on runway while they were on final approach, they do their best making an impressive and close go around. After… (www.youtube.com) 更多...

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ToddBaldwin3 6 年以前 11

I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once, congratulations to CNN for not going beserk and billing this at "Terror in the Skies", etc.. I watched the video via CNN, and their aviation correspondent took pains to point out the perspective and that the aircraft appeared closer than they were.

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 6

My mom always told me to look both ways before crossing the street. Maybe a quick glance would've helped in this case?

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Tim Duggan 6 年以前 6

Sorry, but as pilots when we CAN see a situation ahead, we react. In this case, it was "severe clear" and yes the other jet went around....... "TOGA....Flaps 20....Positive rate, gear up, check altitude"...THAT for a B-767, just a few of the call-out. in a go-around.

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preacher1 6 年以前 4

Good catch for the UT pilot. Those callouts are the most important, especially that 1st one. That pulls everybody's head back in the game cause you know crap is fixin' to happen fast. I don't guess it's quite so bad when, for whatever reason, you just wind up with a trashy approach and give it up and go around to try it again. It's a little more anxious when you get closer down and it get's throwed at you like that. I was just before a good unbothered, picture perfect flare several years ago at KSAT and a little 150 just dawdled out there on the runway like he owned the place. Talking to several later that were at the FBO and they said they didn't know a 757's engines would smoke like that. I don't know about the smoke but those RB 211's spooled fast. LOL. As far as the 150, student, got mixed up, thought he was on the taxiway. As I was going around, tower just cleared him off and got him the heck out of the way.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

As I said below, you'd have thought he would have.

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preacher1 6 年以前 6

I'm afraid I'd be wanting to do more than fill out a report if that happened to me. Good heads up by UT pilot on the goround

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Douglas Rodrigues 6 年以前 3

If this happened in the darkness of night, the situation could have been really nasty.

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Michel B. 6 年以前 3

Decision height set at 200 ft, Runaway was obstructed, the pilot called a Going Around. Whatever the distance was between the 2 aircrafts, it's a normal procedure.

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 4

"normal" may be something of a misnomer. Normal would indicate that's what occurs on landing. My humble opinion is "appropriate".

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Raymond Parra 6 年以前 3

Definetely a runway invasion, what were they looking at ( the Argentinian plane), suppose to look at least right and left, BASIC. Obvious the impending collision when the Russian plane aborted. The Barcelona controlers trying to cover ther rear end with such an absurd expalantion " there was plenty of runway for the Russian plane to land" ABSURD. NO WAY

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THRUSTT 6 年以前 2

There goes those Argentinians invading again...

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Gustavo Romano 6 年以前 0

What that comment mean? Whit all repect, I think you're in the wrong forum.

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8literbeater 6 年以前 1

It sounded like a joke to me, since "runway invasion" is not a term that we use here.

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 0

I won't get in the middle of this, but I believe Gustavo's reaction to Thrustt's comment is not out of line.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

Ya'lll just showing your age as young. Obviously you don't remember the Falkland Islands and the Argentenian attempted takeover. Besides, I don't think anyone is saying Gustavo's comment is out of line. An opinion was just expressed, which I believe we still have the right to do.

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 1

We all have the right to be as inappropriate as we wish - doesn't make it inoffensive. I can see Gustavo's point of view as well as yours. If you'll think back, there was a time "Polish jokes" were laughed at until people became more enlightened and civilized, realizing it truly is rude. About the Falklands, but do have a British friend who had a family member involved. Just because I sympathize when someone feels as Gustavo does, doesn't mean I don't understand both sides. It's just that in his case I believe he is correct and has a point - he's correct. I realize a lot of people on this site ,(including myself when it's overdone,) don't have a lot of respect of political correctness. It can be taken too far. This particular person falls into the category of people who respect PC. As an aside, preacher, you assume way too much - I'm 76. Doesn't mean I can't learn and accept when something isn't right. (LOL - now look - I got in the middle of it!)

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

Yeah, you got a few years on me lol and yeah, got me in the middle of it lol, I don't care. THRUSTT's comment was out of line and taken as a joke by most folks with age enough to remember that little war. You have to remember, that was 32 years ago in 1982. That dates us quite a bit.LOL

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preacher1 6 年以前 2

THRUSTT's comment wasn't out of line. typo

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 1

Age is an accomplishment - means we're doing something right!!! Just too bad so many of the younger generation don't have the maturity to realize that. But they will when they're our age - if they're doing it right. Enjoy your Sunday.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

Well, as I said, whether there was or wasn't, it apparently was too close for comfort for the Russian Pilot.

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Frank Harvey 6 年以前 2

Does anyone remember when KLM's Chief Pilot started to roll without clearance, even though the CVR shows the right seat questioned it, in fog at GCXO/TFN and wiped out all but some First Class PAX and the cockpit of Papa 1736 ?

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preacher1 6 年以前 3

That dog done bit me. A little closer in and the only difference would have been the body count, as the KLM and PanAm were 747's

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preacher1 6 年以前 2

Scroll down to the last post here in new squawks: UTair Aviation 767-300 NEAR MISS/GO AROUND at Barcelona-El Prat Int'l

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latteju 6 年以前 5

Cheers Preacher.
Life on flightaware is not easy for new people. It happened to me as well some time ago. I posted an article which apparently got posted already. I got so many negative votes that I didn't bother posting anymore on this site.

Would have been more welcoming to the original poster if somebody would have made the following comment to explain the negative votes:
"[Duplicate squawk] http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/24_hours/new/42834/UTair_Aviation_767_300_NEAR_MISS_GO_AROUND_at_Barcelona_El_Prat_Int_l "

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Shadowstarz 6 年以前 4

I posted something also about the Malaysia crash. Mine was about the pilots being blamed for the crash. But yet it was said to be a similar squawk as someone had posted about it too, but that was about the NTSB animation. Different articles totally thought subject was the same. Irked me.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

It was checked in "last 24 hr squawks" but apparently they were so close together it was still in "new squawks".

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Frank Harvey 6 年以前 1

Hey preacher ever wonder what would happen if KPHL Tower (or anywhere else) would clear with "Speedbird six niner is cleared to land 27 Right...burble...squelch...burble ...squelch", as someone keys another mike (or no trx due to an equipment failure) and the missing part was "...after company traffic has crossed at Tango" (or November, or Lima or anywhere else). Tango (and possibly November) are far enough back from the threshold and 17/35 crossing that 69'ers driver might not be looking that far ahead and the right seat preoccupied with the panel switching to ground or something else inside like packing his Jepp case or whatever they use today ? Alternatively a similar scenario with Ground clearing "Speedbird 66 cleared to cross 27 Right at Tango ...burble "etc, with "...after company traffic has landed" having beed stepped on.

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preacher1 6 年以前 4

Well, besides the arrogance of the KLM golden boy, that's about what happened at Tenarife. They say the radios and all are better this day and that supposedly don't happen but open eyes are better than 100 radios. When that missing part about company traffic at Tango shows up as big old airplane in front of you, you better have a plan B until you are safely on the ground or in the air away from everybody. Just one more reason they say takeoffs and landings are the most dangerous times of any flight. If all goes well, fine, but a t/o or landing is a conglomeration of "WHAT IF THIS GOES WRONG" and most go smooth. Then some not.
As far as a direct answer to your question, I'd have to say "Let me wake up Leroy cause he ain't never seen no crash like this". LOL

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Ken McIntyre 6 年以前 3

"Let me wake up Leroy cause he ain't never seen no crash like this"...LOL! Been over 30 years since I've heard that joke.

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preacher1 6 年以前 3

Seems to me that the original version of that was a truck going downhill, lost brakes, and Leroy was in the sleeper. LOL. That dates us all. LOL

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Ken McIntyre 6 年以前 1

My deceased brother-in-law was a construction teamster. He and his co-workers often talked about "waking Leroy" back in the early '70s. Last time I heard it. Thanks for the reminder.

Kind of shows our age, eh?

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joel wiley 6 年以前 1

About time to bring it back around for the youngsters.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

yep. LOL

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THRUSTT 6 年以前 2

Yo Leroy, ya mommas calling boy!!!

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Tim Duggan 6 年以前 3

It is NOT a "near miss"!!!

A "near miss" refers to airplanes IN FLIGHT! This is a runway incursion incident. Could be an ATC error, or a pilot (the one taxiing) error.

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 2

Right, "missing" another airplane is a good thing!

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8literbeater 6 年以前 1

A "near miss" is when you get near something, and miss it.

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 1

I've always felt the expression "near miss" is completely misleading. What it actually says is you've nearly missed something. Whatever happened to plain old "close call"?

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joel wiley 6 年以前 1

Tenerife was a 'near miss'. Asiana 214 was a 'near miss'.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

LOL

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Patrick Smith 6 年以前 3

I hate to spoil the party (and I can't believe that eight million people actually watched that YouTube video).

Apparently the Aerolineas Argentinas crew crossed the runway in error, which is serious. BUT, the camera perspective greatly exaggerates how close the two aircraft came. Reports say the planes were a full kilometer apart.

Meanwhile the go-around maneuver, performed by the 767 was, by itself, routine.

I discuss go-arounds in chapter 3 of my book (Cockpit Confidential). The maneuver can FEEL abrupt and can be frightening to nervous flyers, but it's perfectly natural for an airplane, and not especially difficult for the pilots.

Most of you likely know this already.

PS

www.askthepilot.com

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preacher1 6 年以前 8

Well, Patrick, you really haven't spoiled the party but I'll make a few comments to some of yours. It doesn't appear that Aerolineas crossed in error. According to the Spanish folks, both planes were clear and yes the camera angle was exaggerated showing way closer than they actually were. I would like to see a side angle view myself. That said, anytime I have been cleared with no restriction and something jumps out there, it is my decision to continue the approach or not. This was apparently a little too close for comfort for the UT pilot and he went around. a mile is not much at that speed. You know that.Anybody that has flown for awhile has been there, done that, whether in a C150 or big iron. It is unsettling to the pax but it is a maneuver that all pilots train for. This is one reason all us old heads always stress to fly the plane. Until you are down & chocked, landing is one of the most dangerous parts of a trip and the pilot is along to handle what goes wrong. If it's all good, it's a wonderful feeling. I'll be the 1st to give up a trashy approach and try again, but I hate surprises.

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W S Webb 6 年以前 1

No Dents No Deal

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latteju 6 年以前 1

So many negative votes. Not sure why. Might be a duplicate post, but I couldn't find the other one in the last 24 hours squawks.
Thanks for posting anyway

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

There is/was another one yesterday cause I commented on it. If I find it this morning I'll get back to you.

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sharon bias 6 年以前 1

Bet the UTair pilots needed new undies after that landing. I'd LOVE to hear the voice cockpit recorder from that flight. Even though I don't speak Russian, I probably could understand every word.

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preacher1 6 年以前 4

An unplanned one like that is where reflex and training kicks in and when you call TOGA, you hope everything works and you can spool up enough power to clear the guy. That said, I would thought that just out of instinct, the Aerolineas guy would have taken a quick glance too. Yes he was in the right as he'd been cleared to cross but UT had also been cleared to land. Dead Right????????? I can't really tell but if the UT had been a little further in, it might have been bad ugly.

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preacher1 6 年以前 4

You can see the smoke from the spool up and then the nose raise. He done it right.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

You can't say enough good about that guy. He was on his game and flew the plane!!!!!!!!!!!

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THRUSTT 6 年以前 2

I don't think it got into the dirty panties category, just a routine go-around...

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 1

Bet the tower controller needed new undies as well.

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Paul Nolte 6 年以前 1

interesting...AvWeb is saying that both aircraft were cleared...

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/767-Go-Around-Video-Goes-Viral222306-1.html

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

Well, they can say what they want to about clearance and I'd sure have to see a side shot for another angle on the clearance, BUT, if I had been given clearance to land, anything that got in my way past that time would be an incursion and I would go around as well. It would be hard for me to believe that no reports were filed or nothing was said. Even if it would have worked, it would have been too close for comfort, and being in the pointey end, I'd have been at the crash scene first. If he cleared him to land, saying "After the Aerolingues crossed", then it really would have been pilot's call and he may have been expecting it, but it just seem like it was sort of surprising. It looked like the only difference between it and Tenarife was that he had time to get airborne again and get over the top.

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joel wiley 6 年以前 0

I pulled up the aiport diagram for LEBL. If he was crossing 02, then he probably was on E2. That would put him almost to the numbers, real close.

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 1

From the angle of the video, the Argentinas A340 seems to be crossing 02/20 at the taxiway just south of 25R, which would be N5. That puts them about a mile down from the threshold of the landing 767.

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joel wiley 6 年以前 1

Thanks, I took another look after your earlier post- I believe you are correct could be M or N. Either way, UT did well not to play 'you bet your sweet aircraft'.

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Brian Bishop 6 年以前 1

Even so, surely the 340 crew should've seen the '67 on final!

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

Well, that's what I'd have thought. The fact that he was crossing an active should have at least prompted a look, whether cleared or not

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Chris B 6 年以前 1

Which we had the ATC commentary from the event. Appearances can deceive but it looks like they were crossing the runway just ahead of the touchdown point being used by the other aircraft. Look at the runway markings. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2969444,2.0783333,1983m/data=!3m1!1e3

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

It ain't for me to regulate but I'd sure like to see the video that the Spanish folks are looking at showing that additional separation. I trust AvWeek as a reliable source but it can only report what others are saying and that don't necessarily make it so.

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 1

1) I would love to hear the full ATC feed.

2) I'm curious to see exactly where the crossing aircraft was taxiing (how far down the runway was he), to see how much space there really was between the planes. After all, the landing jet was still well above ground level when the taxiing aircraft was halfway through crossing the runway.

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preacher1 6 年以前 2

The video shows that. He was just crossing that active, taxiing to the other runway. As I said below about the AvWeb article that said both were cleared, the angle may have it look worse than what it was but it apparently was too close for comfort to the UT pilot. I don't think he was that far out.

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 3

Yeah, after looking at it again, it looks like he was crossing on the taxiway on the southside of 25R (N5), which about halfway down. Like you said, too close for comfort. Even 1 mile out becomes real short at that speed.

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

yep

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joel wiley 6 年以前 1

Thanks, I stand corrected. E2 would have him going to 25L and be a less acute camera angle. I missed the commentary that he was headed for 35R.

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joel wiley 6 年以前 1

Typo - meant 25L.

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Gary Roberts 6 年以前 1

Okay....It's been interesting following so far, but I can't help but chime in now.
Those of you who have served Army (and maybe USMC) know that there there's two types of walking: (1) Walking, (1) Range Walk! Range Walk!
Range Walk is a 'No-Shit Uptempo' fast walking pace intended to get your butt off the rifle range swiftly but safely. If you're not Range Walkin', someone's gonna tell you about it right quick!

So I can't help but think how that may apply to the OP.
Are there rules, tempos, standards that pilots are supposed to follow when scooting across any runway, let alone an active one??? I mean, one shouldn't be lollygagging their way across an active runway. Goose you some throttle and scoot yourself across and off that runway!
So.....are there rules/standards for that??
Thanks!

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

Well, there probably are somewhere but common sense is the best and you are much correct about the range walk and goosing it to scoot across but a lot of mentality nowadays is that if you are cleared, what ever piece of real estate or airspace you are in at the moment belongs to you. Now, big iron won't move like a GTO but it does seem to me that that 340 was lollygaggin' just a little. Probably the tower was expecting or wanting him to "RANGE WALK" and he decide to "DAWDLE". LOL

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

I might add that any airport with parallel runways has this problem. ATL comes to mind. If you are on the outside, you take whichever high speed and stack. When the tower says go you go and you don't dawdle. It ain't uncommon to look out on final as you cross and see a lineup out there, but they ain't that close.

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Chris B 6 年以前 1

Mike:
Go look at The airport runway layout on google https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2969444,2.0783333,1983m/data=!3m1!1e3
I think the Argentinian aircraft was on taxiway N5 which crosses about half way down the runway. The landing aircraft touched down (at least on second attempt) about a third of the way down the 8300 foot runway.
The UT pilot did well to recognize the issue, power up and Toga in plenty of time to make it appear as close as it did thanks to the camera angle. Still 1000 feet is quickly covered!

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djt007 6 年以前 1

There was another issue with an Aerolineas Argentinas A340, at MIA, 3 years ago. Same pilot(s)? http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/11/02/cbs-investigates-near-mid-air-collision-over-mia/

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sharon bias 6 年以前 1

Love the discussion between various pilots on this issue. In this day and age, with everyone having a cell phone video, any mistake is going to be viewed by thousands of people. What looks routine to pilots probably scars the *rap out of the public. Another issue not discussed so far is language. Although English is the official flying language, if you have Spaniards and Russians trying to communicate in English you have the potential for a mis-communication. One of the other posts said, " "Speedbird six niner is cleared to land 27 Right...burble...squelch...burble ...squelch" Now add a Russian accent to that and you just increased your chance of a problem. I might add that Argentinian Spanish is different from Spanish in Spain. I work with a Spaniard and an Argentinian, and sometimes they can barely communicate.

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Raymond Parra 6 年以前 1

I have been playing the video many times, the person recording says " Oh Dios" (Oh God).
Just to be fair I will like to see a simulated graphic from above. Similar to the ones presented by CNN on the Texas near miss. As a pilot , regardless, if another aircraft is coming to the same runway I am in, or I am approaching a runway were there is an aircraft, GET OUT OF THERE. We cannot assume that the aircraft on the runway is going to move quickly enough and or a might float too much on the touch down thus eating more runway than expected. THERE IS NO EXCUSE HERE.

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Patrick Smith 6 年以前 1

I've got a new blog post up critiquing this annoying video, which was mostly a trick of camera perspective. Also, a discussion about runway incursions...

http://www.askthepilot.com/barcelona-near-miss/

PS

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Patrick Smith 6 年以前 1

I can't believe more than SIXTEEN MILLION people have watched that damn video.

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Gustavo Romano 6 年以前 1

There is no doubt that responsibility for the final leg and taxxing belong the ground control and tower.

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jose yapur 6 年以前 1

el controlador de tierra debe estar siempre atento, de estos incidentes del Utair 767 y el Airbus 340. cada piloto en tierra debe estar siempre mirando por todo lados, ademas no olvidar la comunicacion con la torre.

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Rameshan KR 6 年以前 1

Both the cockpit crew of Aregentina failed to follow the basic safety regulation before crossing the live runway. Good timely observation by the UT air crew with their quick reflex aborted the landing. UT air crew deserve an appreciation for their timely action from aviation big near miss.

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Frank de la Puente 6 年以前 1

They do get appreciation - it's called a paycheck.. The goaround was part and parcel of their job description . What do you think they were supposed to do? Just fly right into the Argentinas airplane?

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joel wiley 6 年以前 1

"He who TOGAs and flys away, lives to land later today"

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 1

I may have missed something in the article, but was it explained how this could have happened? Was it on the ATC or the pilot of the Airbus?

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 1

I may have missed something in the article, but was it explained how this could have happened? Was it on the ATC or the pilot of the Airbus?

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ric lang 6 年以前 1

Ummmmm......Is this a play on words??? "Near Miss?" Does that mean these two airplanes hit one another? Where's the video???

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crackup 6 年以前 1

In the words or Roy D. Mercer, someones gonna get a 55 gallon drum of whoop-ass poured all over them. :)

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DavidBernard 6 年以前 1

Time for siesta for the ground controller?

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T Economou 6 年以前 1

I've been around the block once or twice...so while I thought this video would be interesting...when I saw, at 0:31 the positions of the two aircraft...I was :-o

Kudos to the crew on short final. It would have been an unmitigated disaster.

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AWAAlum 6 年以前 1

Why a rerun on a 4-month old post?

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ric lang 6 年以前 0

Is this a play on words? A "Near Miss?" Is that to imply these 2 airplanes actually hit each other???

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Raymond Parra 6 年以前 2

You are wrong buddy

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Brian Bishop 6 年以前 2

No it does not. Crossing a runway while another aircraft is short on final certainly IS a big deal.

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THRUSTT 6 年以前 2

I don't think he meant no big deal in the literal way, just that it is so routine now...
Kinda like swerving to avoid the guy jogging in the street in tight pink biker shorts!!!

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Michael Fuquay 6 年以前 1

Yikes! Spare us the visual. LOL

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preacher1 6 年以前 1

It is getting more common place though and more publicized now. Just good heads up piloting and flying the plane

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Uwe Ritter 6 年以前 -1

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2 Planes Almost Collided In Barcelona, And It Was Caught On Stunning High-Def Video

Pilots averted a catastrophic situation on Saturday when two planes nearly collided at Barcelona Airport.
The video shows an Utair Boeing 767-300 from Moscow on final approach to a runway, just as an Aerolineas Argentineas Airbus A340-300 prepares to take off.

http://www.businessinsider.com/two-planes-almost-collided-in-barcelona-2014-7

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John Grasso 6 年以前 -1

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Go Around in Spain

Close call on for commercial airplines in Spain. It a good video of an almost deadly accident.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/video-shows-apparent-near-miss-between-jets-barcelona-airport-n149456

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purremuts1 6 年以前 -1

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Near miss in El Prat, Barcelona

Maybe we should outfit them with a reverse gear. A near miss in Barcelona, Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N5THRSp4hM&index=1&list=UUNo5XtuaFJ-U4GTthn54pag

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ernesto luersen 6 年以前 0

TENHO REPASSADO ESTE SITE PARA AMIGOS, TODOS GOSTARAM MUITO E SEMPRE SE CONECTAM.

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