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Skywest E-175 for United does emergency descent and emergency landing in Buffalo

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Reports are the plane lost pressurization. Diverted to Buffalo. (www.cnn.com) 更多...

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ADXbear
ADXbear 12
CNN.. Even after all these years in every airport and countless incidents and accidents, they are still the most inept news organization right next to the national Enquirer, which I have more respect for as that make know bones about being nothing more than a Tabloid.. I refuse to watch them and their private pilot experts..
Fredbrillo
fred brillo -4
Almost as bad as FOX NEWS
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
Faux News is NOT news, it is Repugnant commentary!
sparkie624
sparkie624 4
LOL, The CNN (Communist News Network) is even further off course...
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 4
Really? Cite five examples of their intentionally inaccurate reporting. That shouldn't be too hard, right?

I can think of five intentionally edited video clips from MSNBC just in the last couple years. I won't even get into all the pathetic reporting by them and the rest of the liberal networks pushing a premise regarding Ferguson that was patently false and proven so. Meanwhile, Fox sat on that and did not report it as fact.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -6
Sadly you are obviously uneducated and uninformed, so how about 50 lies:

1. "In July 2010 the government said small businesses -- 60 percent -- will lose their health care, 45 percent of big business and a large percentage of individual health."
Sean Hannity, Nov. 11, 2013
False
* * *
2. "And President Obama has offered to pay out of his own pocket for the museum of Muslim culture out of his own pocket, yet it's the Republican National Committee who's paying for this."
Anna Kooiman, Oct. 5, 2013
False & Retracts the Lie
* * *
3. Labor union president Andy Stern is "the most frequent visitor" at the White House.
Glenn Beck, Dec. 3, 2009
False
* * *
4. "Far more children died last year drowning in their bathtubs than were killed accidentally by guns."
Tucker Carlson, Aug. 9, 2014
False
* * *
5. White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard once served as the "right-hand man" for Bertha Lewis, who heads up ACORN.
Steve Doocy, Sept. 29, 2009
False
* * *
6. "Look at the debt that has been accumulated in the last two years. It's more debt under this president than all those other presidents combined."
Sarah Palin, May 31, 2011
False
* * *
7. "There is no good data showing secondhand smoke kills people."
John Stossel, Dec. 4, 2014
False
* * *
8. "Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history."
Sarah Palin, Aug. 1, 2010
False
* * *
9. "The insurance industry is actually run by mostly Democrats."
Dana Perino, Oct. 31, 2013
False
* * *
10. The Obama administration "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."
Lou Dobbs, July 1, 2014
False
* * *
11. Some doctors say Ebola can be transmitted through the air by "a sneeze or some cough."
George Will, Oct. 19, 2014
False
* * *
12. Says the Texas State Board of Education is considering eliminating references to Christmas and the Constitution in textbooks.
Gretchen Carlson, March 10, 2010
False
* * *
13. Because of President Barack Obama’s failure to "push job creation," the black unemployment rate in Ferguson, Mo., is three times higher than the white unemployment rate.
Lou Dobbs, Aug. 19, 2014
False
* * *
14. When White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Mao Tse-tung was "one of her favorite philosophers, only Fox News picked that up."
Bill O’Reilly, Oct. 23, 2009
False
* * *
15. "The president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day."
Michele Bachmann, Nov. 3, 2010
False
(Note: Bachmann’s claim was made on CNN, not Fox News but Glenn Beck made a similar claim on Fox)
* * *
16. "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it."
Bill O’Reilly, Oct. 27, 2010
False
* * *
17. "If you make more than $250,000 a year … you only really take home about $125,000."
Steve Doocy, July 11, 2012
False
* * *
18. A Census Bureau worker says he was told to skew information to bring the unemployment rate down "as we headed into an election season."
Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Nov. 19, 2013
False
* * *
19. "Health care mandate will require imprisonment and fines for Americans who can’t afford to purchase insurance or pay hefty government penalties."
Patients First, Sept. 21, 2009
Mostly False
(Note: Fox hosts have said closely similar statements because of our research into Bill O’Reilly’s Pants on Fire claim -- No. 16 -- that no one on Fox News ever said it.)
* * *
20. "And finally tonight, although it pains me to say this, Jon Stewart? Comedy Central? He was right. Now on his program last night, he mentioned that we had played some incorrect video on this program last week while talking about the Republican health care rally on Capitol Hill. He was correct, we screwed up, we aired some video of a rally in September, along with a video from the actual event. It was an inadvertent mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, so Mr. Stewart. you were right, we apologize. But by the way, I wanna thank you, and all your writers, for watching."
Sean Hannity, Nov. 12, 2009
* * *
21. "I don’t remember any terrorist attacks on American soil during that period of time (2000-08)."
Eric Bolling, July 14, 2011
* * *
22. The United Way and Enroll America, in Coral Gables, Fla., had "navigators going door to door, knocking on the homes of the uninsured … helping them navigate through the different plans that are available.
Phil Keating, Oct. 1, 2013
* * *
23. Less than 10 percent of Obama's Cabinet appointees "have any experience in the private sector."
Glenn Beck, Nov. 30, 2009
False
* * *
24. During the lead-up to the American Revolutionary War, "some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea."
Andrea Tantaros, Jan. 15, 2014
False
* * *
25. "American troops have never been under the formal control of another nation."
Karl Rove, March 23, 2001
False
* * *
26. "The 'Denver Post' has actually hired an editor to promote pot."
Bill O’Reilly, Dec. 9, 2013
False
* * *
27. "The amount of attention paid this week to Chris Christie makes the coverage of Benghazi ... pale in significance."
Karl Rove, Jan. 12, 2014
False
* * *
28. Liberals have figured out a Facebook algorithm and "all the people getting banned from Facebook are somehow conservatives."
Todd Starnes, April 17, 2014
False
* * *
29. Obamacare is "one big fat VA system."
Kimberly Guilfoyle, May 21, 2014
False
* * *
30. Says Gov. Rick Scott's approval ratings are up.
Brian Kilmeade, April 15, 2001
False
* * *
31. "Under the Obama plan . . . all the health care in this country is eventually going to be run by the government."
Sen. Tom Coburn, March 4, 2009
False
* * *
32. If you log into the government's Cash for Clunkers website (cars.gov) from your home computer, the government can "seize all of your personal and private" information, and track your computer activity.
Kimberly Guilfoyle, July 31, 2009
False
* * *
33. The Massachusetts health care plan is "wildly unpopular" among state residents.
Laura Ingraham, May 12, 2011
False
* * *
34. "The Constitution simply does not authorize the federal government to own any of this land (in the Western states)."
Andrew Napolitano, April 23, 2014
False
* * *
35. Says President Barack Obama is "sending a much larger (force) " to deal with Ebola "than ISIS is getting."
Brit Hume, Sept. 21, 2014
False
* * *
36. On climate change, "the temperature readings have been fabricated, and it's all blowing up in their (scientists') faces."
Dana Perino, Feb. 9, 2015
Pants on Fire
* * *
37. Says President Barack Obama’s recent New York fundraising trip "cost between $25 million and $50 million."
Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2014
Pants on Fire
* * *
38. Under President Barack Obama, "8.3 (million) fewer Americans are working today than there were four years ago."
Sean Hannity, Jan. 20, 2013
False
* * *
39. Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."
Sarah Palin, Aug. 7, 2009
Pants on Fire
(Note: This claim was made originally on Facebook. It’s unclear to us if Palin said it on Fox News.)
* * *
40. New poll by YouGov shows that 7/10 people who voted for President Obama’s re-election in 2012 ‘regret’ doing so
Fox and Friend tweet, Feb. 19, 2014
False
* * *
41. "NASA scientists fudged the numbers to make 1998 the hottest year to overstate the extent of global warming."
Steve Doocy, June 24, 2014
Pants on Fire
* * *
42. A new Colorado law "literally allows residents to print ballots from their home computers, then encourages them to turn ballots over to ‘collectors.’ "
Megyn Kelly, Oct. 21, 2014
False
* * *
43. The Affordable Care Act alters the "sensible doctor-patient-relationship-centered health care program ... we see today."
Sarah Palin, Nov. 24, 2013
False
* * *
44. Since 1965, the United States has spent "untold trillions" yet the poverty rate hasn’t budged.
Bill O’Reilly, July 26, 2011
False
* * *
45. Says Colorado food stamp recipients can use ATMs to get cash to buy marijuana.
Brian Kilmeade, Jan. 21, 2014
False
* * *
46. "Attorney General Eric Holder is involved in the dismissal of the criminal charges" against the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation
Bill O’Reilly, July 17, 2010
False
* * *
47. "Barack Obama had 150 days in the U.S. Senate where he was able to vote quite often 'present.' "
Sarah Palin, Feb. 6, 2010
False
* * *
48. "It will cost $50,000 per enrollee in Obamacare over the next 10 years."
Stuart Varney, Jan. 27, 2015
False
* * *
49. "We're going to be looking at $8 billion a day that we're going to be pouring into foreign countries in order to import that make-up fuel that we're going to need to take the place of what we could have gotten out of the Gulf (of Mexico)."
Sarah Palin, May 1, 2013
Pants on Fire
* * *
50. "Why do we have automatic citizenship upon birth? We're the only country in the world that has it."
Glenn Beck, June 10, 2009
False
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 6
Based on what I'm seeing, it appears you went and copied a set of talking points from some leftist blog.

Ever hear of these things called "links"? They make it easy to go track your source and validate its credibility and objectivity.

SO, perhaps you can use those exact characteristics... "objectivity" and "credibility" and try again.

By the way, Media Matters, Huff-n-Puff Post, and others like them are not objective. "Politifact" is certainly not objective. It's run by the far left Tampa Bay Times.

By the way, millions of people did lose their insurance as did I. We were promised we could keep what we had. Obama lied. We were told cost would go down. I lost my catastrophic coverage for $158 per month and now my best option is $522 per month But at least I have prenatal care! Now, what was the reason they outlawed catastrophic coverage for those over thirty? There is no objective reason to be found.

Yes, please try again.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
Oh, one more thing... a guest going on Fox News and making a false statement then it being attributed to Fox News does not constitute a lie. Both Media Matters and Polifact has done this numerous times.

Those organizations are as objective as a convective cell allowing a Skyhawk to pass through safely while tearing up a 747.
jimp9106
OH Shut up!
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
With all of Foxes Faults, there is 10X the amount of errors in CNN and MSNBC.... I will follow FOX way before any of the others.. Actually, I watch very little news...
KineticRider
Randy Marco -5
Sparkie, you are WRONG as well and it's obvious you don't watch or read the news!

Faux news "faults"..... No it's blatant LIES!
sparkie624
sparkie624 5
Ugh... Well, I guess it is Bush's Fault then...
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
Don't forget Cheney and Halliburton!
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Geez... I stand corrected will will give Cheney and Halliburton! part of the fault as well.
sporty222
Actually, the real story: the plane was flying over Buffalo and s few passengers looked outside and saw the snow on the ground. It was such a shock that they fainted. Typical overreaction!
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
It is stated it was not a pressurization problem, and that is probably true... If it was a structural issue like SWA has had it would have had pictures posted everywhere by now... But somehow they obviously had an issue... One of 2 things probably happened... They lost a Pack or they lost a bleed. At FL410 they cannot pressurize the a/c off of one pack, one engine can not supply 2 packs at that altitude... It says they descended to 28,000 feet... With a Pack or Bleed failure that is what the the max altitude would have been. It is my opinion they they either lost a bleed valve or a pack in flight and thus could not maintain that pressure and had to emergency decent. I think that they could have continued to there destination if it had not created some medical emergencies.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
sparkie624, you are one of the most trusted persons on this board. Once you're down below 10000 feet the FAA says you're OK. Are you really? A fully pressurized jet will still have you at 8000 feet for the whole flight at FL400. Loss of a pack is critical. Even at FL280, with a loss of pressurization, you have to get down fast. Speed brakes out, flight idle power, 5 minute descent to below 10000 is standard for an emergency descent. Nothing new for my pilot friends.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
10,000 feet is safe with no problems... you could safely go to 14,000 without o2, but not really recommended. I am not sure why 8000 feet was chosen for a pressurization altitude. As far a single pack ops, the CRJ 700 and above can support 31,000 for single pack ops, most others on single pack only do 28000 feet. I do not think they truly lost all pressurization, or they would have continued down to 10000, they just needed to get down to where they could maintain cabin pressure without O2 supplements.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Yep Sparkie, one pack will usually work. Cross bleed from both engines to one pack. However, what if the outflow valve fails in the open position? The system is engineered to be auto controlled and also a manual backup. A structural failure in the outflow valve would negate both these systems. A rapid decompression and a failure to maintain adequate pressure are two different things. The pilots have to evaluate and make the decision. An emergency descent was probably not required but I wasn't there and I can't blame them. Every descent and landing is OK with me. The other event here was some pax were affected. When pax have a medical problem--land and get them attention. Down we go.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
The reason I ruled that out is that would constitute a pressurization problem and they said clearly that it was not a pressurization problem, and that would have been logged into the fault history of the plane. If that valve had failed closed, then they would have had issues depressurizing during decent, and would have had more PSI differential than allowed. Also the Backup/Manual control they would have still been able to maintain altitude without such a dramatic dive.

Even using both bleeds to one pack, one pack still does not have the volume required to pressurize, they may have had more pressure, but still the same volume of air entering the pressure vessel.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
sparkie624, you and I have too much common sense. I like your analysis. I believe the pilots over reacted and caused a problem that didn't exist. Every commercial jet has a manual pressurization control and you can simply de-pressurize and land. The only emergency descent required would be from a very high altitude--maybe 25000 and above and we need to get down. However, if a passenger has a medical problem---down we go to the nearest big airport where there will be medical attention. The last thing I ever wanted was to have a passenger die because I delayed in getting down.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I agree with you, but the final report said 3 people went unconscious, One thing that could have happened is that they had the Automode to fail and then mis-handled the manual system inducing the problem, I would not rule out crew error in this, and if maintenance signed it off as well as no repeats on this a/c that is very likely. I also agree with you that we do not want to loose passengers in flight... certainly not good for business. :)

I would have liked to have heard the ATC.NET commmunications on this... that may have told us more information as well. When I look up details on this report from the airline FAA reportL "when the crew initiated an emergency descent (average rate of descent 4500fpm) reporting problems with the cabin pressure," By my understanding at that point there were not any PAX issues... If the crew mis-handled the pressurization controls that could have induced the error, or it could have been a computer glitch... We live in a day of computer controlled airplanes.... Sometimes we just have to reboot them like a computer (CTRL/ALT/DEL) :) Once the a/c was powered down and restarted, there was no problem to be found... This happens a lot on the ground, and sometimes in the air.... Just for the record, I do not recommend rebooting the plane while flying... Especially if you are fly by wire :)
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
You would have to be there to know the situation. If the flight attendants panicked (I would have too) and told the Captain, nothing else matters. Get the airplane on the ground. I had a medical emergency on one of my flights and after the rapid descent and landing, the passenger refused attention in the airport and simply walked away. We have no idea what meds our passengers are on. We pilots and flight attendants routinely go through 6 to 8 thousand feet pressure change every day. Some passengers can't take this. Could they have been drinking? Alcohol has a profound affect at altitude. Were they smokers? Medications? The list of prohibited meds for pilots is just awesome. Passengers--anything goes.
Fredbrillo
fred brillo 0
On the news last evening it was reported that only 3 passengers were affected? Was this true or more inept reporting?
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
I do not really know... Originally it was 1, but revised to 3... That is believable and would be hard to dispute... Even at that, none were taken to the hospital, and were treated in the airport... It does not say if any of those 3 continued their flight that day.

I was just looking up more information on this a/c from the FAA based on the registry information... The A/C was actually "N119SY" which is a "ERJ170-200LR", certified on 9/18/2014, so in my opinion this a/c is not even broken in yet...

According to the FAA report states: "The FAA said the crew initiated an emergency descent reporting the loss of cabin pressure. In a following maintenance examination of the occurrence aircraft no evidence of a loss of cabin pressure and no indications of anything else amiss with the aircraft were found." .. With that in mind, this entire incident could have been a computer or software glitch.
pappyroehrer
Bob Roehrer 3
get it right or get it first? has been the question ever since the telegraph...information traveling faster than the ability to verify.
since its a known problem and has been for eons, why keep acting surprised?
the only thing that would prevent or reduce it is monetary penalties.
obvious why we don't / can't do that every time!
robmark
Robert Mark 2
This also happens because media outlets don't want to pay for aviation expert reporters, so they grab what they can when they need them and hope for the best.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
I can only guess that the closer we get to election day 2016 the worse rhetoric like this will become. Are any of these "comments" germane to the Skywest article? George Bush , either one flew fighter planes not an E-175.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
If one makes a blatantly false comment regarding the performance of an aircraft, airline or pilot's actions, should we let that go or challenge it?

Why should it be any different with any other comment made? You either hold people to a higher standard or you accept as fact every piece of BS stated. I'm not one to do the latter.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 2
I'm not sure how that fits in with the competence of Fox News, George Bush, Dick Chaney,... Sparkie and you stayed on topic but the wild comments of some others are a waste of space an time to pick through.Case in point, the laundry list provided by Randy Marco about 10 entries down. My point is that the site is for aviation topics, although CNN does sem to take liberties with story facts on occasion,
margeauxk
Margeaux K 1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Pressure Loss Forces Jet's Emergency Landing in NY

A SkyWest jet made an emergency landing at Buffalo Niagara International Airport today after experiencing an apparent problem with cabin pressure, reports the Buffalo News. SkyWest was operating the flight out of Chicago for United; it was bound for Hartford, Conn. One person reportedly lost consciousness; a SkyWest official says "the flight landed safely in Buffalo, where the passenger received medical attention before being released."

http://www.newser.com/story/205827/pressure-loss-forces-jets-emergency-landing-in-ny.html
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
I know you didn't write this drivel, but Hartford is NOT a commercial airline destination. BDL is the closest destination and is about midway between Hartford, CT and Springfield, MA. I flew out of HFD while I was in college there. back in the 60s
nasdisco
Chris B 1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3051034/SkyWest-plane-diverted-Buffalo-door-opened-mid-flight-causing-cabin-lose-pressure.html
nasdisco
Chris B 2
Sounds like an excess of caution by the Pilots. As someone transitioning to pressurized Piper, I'm ok with that.
tomsullivan
Tom Sullivan 1
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW5622
Av8nut
Dropped 26,000 feet in 5 minutes - Bet that was fun.
yr2012
matt jensen 2
Upchuck express
CaptainFreedom
and of course the CNN hyperbole states that "The plane descended 28,000 feet in three minutes."...typical.
btweston
btweston 3
Why don't you write them a letter?
CaptainFreedom
lol i'm sure they'd care.
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 2
Permanent URL to that specific flight is http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW5622/history/20150422/1420ZZ/KORD/KBUF

Track log and altitude graph is:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW5622/history/20150422/1420Z/KORD/KBUF/tracklog
aknorris
aknorris 1
Despite all the massively sensationalized headlines, follow up reports indicate the descent was initiated AFTER some passengers "lost consciousness" ... and, inspections showed no indication of any pressurization problem with the aircraft.
Why can't the media get anything right any more?
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Obviously something happened other than that for them to level off at 28,000 feet.. That is max altitude for one pack.... Keep in mind that no pressurization problem, true, but there are other systems that affect the pressurization system as stated above, and 28,000 would have been the correct altitude for single pack ops.
JetDoc66
JetDoc66 1
Max single pack altitude for the ERJ 170/175 is FL 310.
PilotGuy251
PilotGuy251 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Flight from Chicago makes emergency landing in New York

CHEEKTOWAGA, N.Y. (AP) — The Federal Aviation Administration says a SkyWest Airlines flight from Chicago that made an emergency landing in Buffalo did not have a pressurization problem.

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/22/flight-from-chicago-makes-emergency-landing-due-to-pressurization-problem/

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