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The Real Cost of Aircraft Ownership
A very blunt report about the cost of buying and owning a "cheap twin." (realcostofownership.blogspot.com) 更多...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
the trouble with a twin apache with 150 horse...that is the same as my warrior...i would'nt want to be in the apache with full fuel and two people...i don't see how it can fly on one engine...like they say...that engine brings yuo to the site of the crash....all i'm saying is i would rather have one good engine in my warrior than have two questionable engines in an apache...
If its the same engine as on your warrior, why is it good on your warrior and questionable on the Apache? A 150hp Apache may not be able to climb under some conditions but the good engine will bring you to the site of a landing much better than no engine on the warrior.
Oh dear, someone doesn't know anything about twin flying, especially a low performance twin like the Apache. Bill - go google VMC roll and let us know if you still think that a twin on a single engine will "bring you to the site of the landing" Get that old girl slow and you might as well feather the other engine too.
This is not about who knows more. What I will say Tim is that you are correct, you may have to reduce power on the good engine to maintain control but you do not need to feather it. VMC roll is not something the plane does on its own but it is something a clueless pilot lets a plane do. I have been up against VMC in many aircraft. The recovery is nothing more than a procedure just like a stall recovery. Altitude and airspeed is your friend. I'm sure Steven has learned all about this and, as long as he maintains currency, is a very happy and safe twin pilot.
all i'm saying is the apache is almost twice as heavy with full fuel and passangers as my warrior...a lot of twins get into trouble when they lose an engine...i don't have to think if i lose the engine..i just pick a spot straight ahead...
It doesn't matter how heavy the plane is. Would you rather have 150 horses out there pulling or none? Twins do not get into trouble. Poorly trained pilots or pilots that stop thinking get into trouble and they have no problem crashing singles as well as twins. A good self brief when departing in a heavy Apache would be; This will be a single engine departure, If I loose one off the runway, I'm going to pull the other one back and fly it back to the ground. No rule says you must leave the remaining engine at full power. Once up safely, one engine and the correct configuration can keep a gross weight Apache in the air and help it to a nice big runway instead of a rough field.
Also, even in a light piston twin, if you take a tip from airliners...
...don't get too slow. For small airplanes of course, it's "Vmc" (Do they still mark the Airspeed Indicators with a blue line?).
Point is, know your airplane well, and also its limitations, and think ahead.
...don't get too slow. For small airplanes of course, it's "Vmc" (Do they still mark the Airspeed Indicators with a blue line?).
Point is, know your airplane well, and also its limitations, and think ahead.
Spot on Tim. And the blue line is there. A plane is as safe as the pilot. It has very little to do with the aircraft. If its flown right it flys.
Let's try this again...1st try failed...
True story: Back in my single-pilot FAR Part 135 days, was in a Cessna 404 from KBUR to KLAS (VFR, a Charter) and the left engine showed low oil pressure en-route (after reaching cruise Alt.). Precautionary shut-down, and feather. There really are NO alternates, so I continued toward destination (KLAS). No biggie.
(OK...KDAG....but, well, didn't want to get stuck there. This WAS several decades ago....KEDW? Uh, Uh! Well North by then anyhow. ^_^
Let ATC know (Las Vegas Approach, for TCA -- now "Class B" -- entry), but no need to "Pan, Pan", much less a "MayDay". The C-404 can taxi on one engine too, just like almost any commercial airliner...(Not that I had flown any airliners at that time, this I know now in retrospect).
True story: Back in my single-pilot FAR Part 135 days, was in a Cessna 404 from KBUR to KLAS (VFR, a Charter) and the left engine showed low oil pressure en-route (after reaching cruise Alt.). Precautionary shut-down, and feather. There really are NO alternates, so I continued toward destination (KLAS). No biggie.
(OK...KDAG....but, well, didn't want to get stuck there. This WAS several decades ago....KEDW? Uh, Uh! Well North by then anyhow. ^_^
Let ATC know (Las Vegas Approach, for TCA -- now "Class B" -- entry), but no need to "Pan, Pan", much less a "MayDay". The C-404 can taxi on one engine too, just like almost any commercial airliner...(Not that I had flown any airliners at that time, this I know now in retrospect).
One has to decide which works best for them.